So I am planning to do my femurs next year to gain 8-10 cms via LON method since Precice seems to have some limitations in terms of height gain and weight-bearing. And taking a considerable long break after removing IM nails, I will do quadrilateral on the healed femur and tibia, that will take my overall height gain to 20cm+. Now that is reasonable for me since my growth plates are closed and I'm just past age 18 as male. Unfortunately, I was an early bloomer male. My height is 5'3'' and I seriously need it sooner rather than later since people seem to avoid me and on top of that, my social anxiety ain't helping me in any way. My parents are willing to bear the cost since my mental health's more important to them, I don't have height neurosis thoguh. Point to add, they were the ones to tell me that I am normal after checking my growth hormones level (it was normal) that I will grow and never considered aromatese inhibitors or such treatment due to having started puberty earlier than most. They do feel regret now. My 5'3'' is indeed too short for a male and I need to get out of home almost daily since I am a student. My sibling and all male cousins are towering over me, even younger ones. I can see managing some good time off from my studies without lagging behind in future.
I give zero importance on my body proportions and will do anything to gain some inches on my legs. Having shorter hands is the least of my concerns since I don't go out too much but when I do, people do not notice my proportions but my height. After all, everyone's different due to genetics and having a bad proportion is nothing compared to an adult male having baby height. I would not give it a thought if I had bad proportions due to genetics and still ended up being decent male height, but being called shorty really changes the scenario. I have never seen triple LL being done, why though? Do people get tired after doing two segments on femur+tibia or are there any limitations in our body that prevent us to do a second surgery on healed femur/tibia?
I suggest you should do a in depth research on this surgery, if you are asking why a triple LL surgery have never been done is because you have no clue what's all of this about. First no sane surgeon would re-do LL on a segment already done, your muscles and nerves are not made of plastic my dude, there are safe limits with quadrilateral, a certain amount of cms in a range of 5 cm on tibias and 8cm on femurs is pretty much the standard and the most succesful rates of LL. There is no way you could re-do a segment without 100% risks involved, in the extreme case some butcher decide to do it, you wouldn't be able to recover, or to walk anymore, you could even die. I think you don't understend yet the toll the body takes. It's not a nosejob.
LON femirs is not recommended because of the pins going through all the muscle, which will permanently reduce your knee ROM. If you were o still go that route, you can actually lengthrn less with LON femur because the frames aren't strong enough for the muscles after a certain distraction point, and you will inevitably end up with some degree of deformity because of it.
You will look weird with 20 added cm. Take ot one lengthening at a time for reasonable limits. Even if you get your total height to 5'6" or 5'7", it's a marked improvement over 5'3" and your QoL will still be better. The ones that are focused on final height above all else tend to be the ones with the most problems later.
Quote from: sxxa on April 06, 2025, 07:28:46 PMI suggest you should do a in depth research on this surgery, if you are asking why a triple LL surgery have never been done is because you have no clue what's all of this about. First no sane surgeon would re-do LL on a segment already done, your muscles and nerves are not made of plastic my dude, there are safe limits with quadrilateral, a certain amount of cms in a range of 5 cm on tibias and 8cm on femurs is pretty much the standard and the most succesful rates of LL. There is no way you could re-do a segment without 100% risks involved, in the extreme case some butcher decide to do it, you wouldn't be able to recover, or to walk anymore, you could even die. I think you don't understend yet the toll the body takes. It's not a nosejob.
Saying you wouldn't recover (or even die lol, no one has ever died from lengthening on itself fyi) from re-doing LL on the same segment is pure fearmongerring. Yes, it is possible to theoretically gain at like 14 cm on femur if you do rebreak, I am going to do this eventually. After the first segment muscles and nerves take time to adapt, and you can repeat it all over again once it's over, granted with limited range now. There are multiple cases with achondroplasia, but ignoring those because "their soft tissues are structured differently", even Paley has an option for 4+4 re-breaking on femur (of course here he is being modest because he wouldn't want to risk complications). That in itself should speak that it's not impossible. I would say at least 12 cm is a good estimate for how much you should expect to gain on femur via rebreaking. After all, I would say 20 cm in total is the maximum you can get with doing LL. Beyond that, only gene therapy is the future (myostatin inhibitors & LOX modulators could allow lengthening way beyond 20% of initial bone length, possibly 35%).
Quote from: heightiseverything on April 14, 2025, 03:00:06 PMSaying you wouldn't recover (or even die lol, no one has ever died from lengthening on itself fyi) from re-doing LL on the same segment is pure fearmongerring. Yes, it is possible to theoretically gain at like 14 cm on femur if you do rebreak, I am going to do this eventually. After the first segment muscles and nerves take time to adapt, and you can repeat it all over again once it's over, granted with limited range now. There are multiple cases with achondroplasia, but ignoring those because "their soft tissues are structured differently", even Paley has an option for 4+4 re-breaking on femur (of course here he is being modest because he wouldn't want to risk complications). That in itself should speak that it's not impossible. I would say at least 12 cm is a good estimate for how much you should expect to gain on femur via rebreaking. After all, I would say 20 cm in total is the maximum you can get with doing LL. Beyond that, only gene therapy is the future (myostatin inhibitors & LOX modulators could allow lengthening way beyond 20% of initial bone length, possibly 35%).
This is absolutely wrong and dangerous BS to say, "no one has ever died from LL" is all I need to read to see how ignorant you are, I don't think you have read enough to ACTUALLY KNOW the several cases of patients dying of fat embolism, bone infection, etc. Re-breaking your bones is insanity, plain and simple, not because is not impossible MEANS you should do it. That´s a stupid approach and will cripple you, 12 cm on femurs is idiotic and not only for proportions but funtionality, take a look on the retarded letremba guy on IG and look how goofy ass he looks and his terrible proportions and inability to walk properly. Let alone doing the same surgery again, paying again, suffering again, you must a be a lunatic to do smt like that. Your muscles are not elastic plastic.
'Several cases of people dying' - any evidence of these cases? - I thought you were gonna prove how you get shot & then grow 6 inches!!??
You ain't got a clue 🤦♂️🤣
Quote from: sxxa on April 14, 2025, 06:27:02 PMThis is absolutely wrong and dangerous BS to say, "no one has ever died from LL" is all I need to read to see how ignorant you are, I don't think you have read enough to ACTUALLY KNOW the several cases of patients dying of fat embolism, bone infection, etc. Re-breaking your bones is insanity, plain and simple, not because is not impossible MEANS you should do it. That´s a stupid approach and will cripple you, 12 cm on femurs is idiotic and not only for proportions but funtionality, take a look on the retarded letremba guy on IG and look how goofy ass he looks and his terrible proportions and inability to walk properly. Let alone doing the same surgery again, paying again, suffering again, you must a be a lunatic to do smt like that. Your muscles are not elastic plastic.
I didn't say no one has died from LL. There are a few deaths due to either surgeon's fault or general carelesness during the post-op, although even those are statistically insignificant. But no one has specifically died due to overlengthening (at least not documented anywhere, and I don't even know how it could work). The worst that comes with overlengthening is losing your walking ability due to excessive nerve damage. It could be avoided.
Also, a common anecdote here, if you care about proportions so much, you are not serious about LL in any way. This surgery is not your average cosmetic job, but an opening way for short men to have a new life they always dreamed about. There's no other way to increase height (for now), so obviously we are risking have altered proportions in exchange for height. Only someone who is serious about LL is willing to take this risk.
Quote from: heightiseverything on April 15, 2025, 02:38:46 PMI didn't say no one has died from LL. There are a few deaths due to either surgeon's fault or general carelesness during the post-op, although even those are statistically insignificant. But no one has specifically died due to overlengthening (at least not documented anywhere, and I don't even know how it could work). The worst that comes with overlengthening is losing your walking ability due to excessive nerve damage. It could be avoided.
Also, a common anecdote here, if you care about proportions so much, you are not serious about LL in any way. This surgery is not your average cosmetic job, but an opening way for short men to have a new life they always dreamed about. There's no other way to increase height (for now), so obviously we are risking have altered proportions in exchange for height. Only someone who is serious about LL is willing to take this risk.
Over lenghtening is the opposite of the goal and realistic expectations people should have, there is no reason for over extend if you are gonna end up on a wheelchair or walking like Donald duck, and no, it cannot be avoided, no matter what, you could do the best therapy and you won't be able to recover properly IF you extent to the point your muscles and nerves are so so damaged they can't recover. Proportions is indeed subjective but big names like Donghon or Paley ALWAYS recommend certain amount for safety AND proportions, if your wingspan is short and you over extent you would look like a dwarf on heels, 0 sense. The bodybuilder who was a butcher Buldu victim talk about this, he did "recover" but is 100% chance he is getting arthrithis and his joints hurt.
Quote from: sxxa on April 15, 2025, 03:16:55 PM
Proportions is indeed subjective but big names like Donghon or Paley ALWAYS recommend certain amount for safety AND proportions, if your wingspan is short and you over extent you would look like a dwarf on heels, 0 sense.
Better be tall and have 65% legs than short with godlike proportions.
Quote from: heightiseverything on April 15, 2025, 05:48:08 PMBetter be tall and have 65% legs than short with godlike proportions.
well I don't think people will notice your height on a wheelchair or walking with crutches.
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