I remember seeing comments here and old forum on some people saying height is not a big factor. I also know that some surgeons do a psychic evaluation of why a LL aspirant wants to do LL.
Wanted to share my mind on this (and this is what I will tell to the doctor, i don't care if they deem me unfit for the surgery based on this reply) - I have won high;profile quiz competition awards where people were dazzled by my knowledge, I have traveled to dozens of countries, had a very interesting life, am highly educated, am very kind hearted (adore animals, kids, people. do lot of charity - like 30% of my income goes to charity), know 5 languages, I never lie (always speak truth), am good looking, I am 5'4". And then I see people who have never been outside of their village/town, average in education, knowledge , cruel minded (beat animals etc.), liers/cheaters but are taller. Guess what? if a random person (read woman/girl) looks at us, the taller guy will look more interesting and I look not interesting, in clubs the taller guy (no matter how insignificant he is in real life) stands out, i don't. Do I deserve this? I am a far more interesting person, a far better soul but my body matters above all? and do these (otherwise useless) tall guys deserve to look more attractive/interesting? no. God is not fair and I want to look like what I am. hence, LL is the 'equalizer' , the one that creates level playing field.
Quote from: Android on December 20, 2017, 11:42:45 PMNot much about deserving for me, too karmic. Newborns have no say about their physical attributes or even where they're born.
You can't choose your parents, so you can't choose your height. You can choose to be happy with your height, but I'm not. I'm objectively shorter than average, and since I've put in the hard work to earn enough money, I've made the choice to do something about it.
Unlike gaining muscle or losing weight, changing your wardrobe and accessorizing, height is static. Thanks to CLL that's no longer the case, so I'd rather take this risk than think "what if?" for years to come.
makes sense. For me - it is primarily like I feel I 'deserve' to be taller and something unfair has been done to me (by making me shorter), but of course the 'what if' factor is also big factor, life is one and nobody should wonder 'what if' in death bed. I can assure you the answer to 'what if' will be good, height cannot be negative, it will be helpful. Though in the parents factor (or genes factor) I am not much sure (though I am a science student) from my observation it is primary nutrition/lifestyle kids get/choose, genes/parents factors come distant second.
Quote from: Purushrottam on December 21, 2017, 07:06:33 PMI'm not sure where you are from but if it's a developing country, I have an explanation. A significant portion of your height is determined by your childhood nutrition intake. Early childhood diseases restrict the body's nutrition intake, even if the child is getting proper nutrition.
Before modern sanitation, population density was a big factor in childhood disease incidence. The denser the country, the higher the incidence of disease. This is why the Dutch were so short in the early 1900s, while the south Sudanese were very tall (5'11" avg in the 1950s).
Countries like India and Sudan became more dense over time, which made diseases more prevalent. Even being well off doesn't protect you from disease if the environment isn't sanitary. . This is made worse by the practice of open defecation. However this is no longer prevalent in urban India, even amongst the impoverished. This explains the huge height disparity between urban and rural India and between younger and older generations.
Makes sense to me. I also think that childhood lifestyle (food, nutrition, health, disease, sports etc.) is the biggest decider (genetics comes very distant second) in deciding someone's height. I think I would have been taller if I were not from a vegetarian poor family (staple food was bread and vegetable curry, with some milk at night) and were taking in more protein.
Quote from: Purushrottam on December 21, 2017, 03:56:19 AMPrakash,
I'm not 5'6" anymore, but when I was, I never perceived that I was "short" in India. Of course, the experience at 5'4" is completely different. I never perceived the level of heightism in India that I did in the US. Our Prime Minister is barely 5'8". Our former President was like 5'2". Aamir Khan and Sachin Tendulkar are both below 5'4".
However Hollywood and Bollywood might be changing perceptions now. The average height of 18 year olds in urban India (Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore, Surat, Ahmedabad, Chennai, Kolkota, Pune) is 5'9", which is the same as the United States. The younger generations (especially the middle class) are getting taller and taller. When I was growing up, I had one uncle who was 5'11" and he was the tallest person in the family. Now I have several younger cousins who are 6'+.
I don't know when you left India, post 2010 India is much taller, even 5'6" comes short, trust me. And world is changing, perceptions are changing. There was a time when in Rural india very short (5'2") but fair and good looking males were more preferred then taller avergae (5'8") males by beautiful girls and there was a time when full figured males were preferred over thin males, but that ended in the 90's. World standards are being imposed all over and people's mind are being impacted by that. Thin, tall males are in fade now. Think about it, in earlier days pale was beautiful and tan was low class now it is opposite. I know many aunties who would swear that men are not attractive without mustache while their new generation/young daughters hate men with mustaches.
Note - sorry, I read later part of your response now and I see you have already acknowledged and addressed the height increase in new India.
Quote from: dean9191 on December 21, 2017, 01:20:56 AMPraskash i want to clear something up. U accused me of insulting u for being indian. But u didn't im an asain myself too. India is way better than my country. But I've lived in Europe for a long time so I know the standards. When u opened the thread about dr.parihars clinic, by asking whether ur indian I meant the appearance won't be much of a suprise to u if u were an indian. For me i don't expect European standards in my country or india but i know we have cleaver doctors like any other region. Anyway u sound like an awesome guy
no problem man, we fight we make up, we are friends.
Quote from: myloginacct on December 21, 2017, 12:10:08 AMNot everyone judges based on looks. Also, lots of really good people also look really bad. So I don't see height as a matter of deserving it or not; it wouldn't stop at just height. I do get your point, however.
Have you already tried using lifts plus any form of elevated shoes if you only care about the social perception you get from height?
As for myself, I'd like to get taller to have peace of mind. I'd reach my father's height and never have to think about it again.
The truth is unless someone comes to know you real real well, looks are the only things that matter. The problem is that the probability of being friends with attractive women who would come to know you well and will be available (they are always taken 
for you to do yoru game, is very slim and you will need to wait a lot. On the other hand, since looks are primary even taller s have better chance then the short guy because most women you will meet will not know your nice soul unless you get the chance to show them your soul (and as I said the chance is slim). yes, i am wearing lifts from last 3 years and it has helped to some extent (example - a beautiful Chinese girl checking me out again and again in California this March) but I want more from life and I feel I deserve more from life, 2.5 inch lift wont do 
Quote from: Body Builder on December 21, 2017, 12:21:05 AMI tried my best to improve all my aspects in my appearance and general in myself and now I am a 29 yo man with a good looking face (I go for grooming every 15-20 days), big muscles with less than 15% fat, good style and clothes, a high education diploma and a better than average job.
But still I don't get the attention I would and I can't many women I could only because I am not tall enough.
So I tried very hard to improve everything I could physically and my only drawback (not big after my first LL but still drawback) is my height.
So I really believe I deserve a second LL and a better height to become a completely fulfilled person and get all the things I tried and worked for.
I say go for it buddy. I myself have been contemplating whether to do one segment LL with an expensive doctor like Paley or two segments with cheaper doctors and I am now convinced that I will go for the kill, two segments.
Quote from: myloginacct on December 22, 2017, 05:43:46 PMI also blame myself for my diet.
Height is mostly genetic, but it apparently varies based on your background. Apparently, 35% of an Asian's person height is due to their diet whereas it's only 20% in whites. I feel these are very broad generalizations, specially considering how intricate human genetics can get, but there must be some truth to them.
Yes, i personally believe genetics has only 20% to with it, 60% is lifestyle like food, sports, sleep (and 20% other things like mental heath - happiness,anxiety gravity, weather, air/water quality etc.)
Quote from: DreamKamchatka on January 01, 2018, 07:40:18 AMi have exactly same experience as you. i am a very intelligent person but people just judge me by my height. i feel unfair so i went to dr. Solomin
yes, and it pains when idiots, bad persons gain more attention because they are taller
Quote from: Purushrottam on January 02, 2018, 04:31:58 AMBodybuilder, I appreciate your contribution to this forum, but this is factually incorrect. In Western populations, height will be 80% genetic because most people in the West have similar levels of medical access and nutrition. Even low income families get enough nutrition for it to not impact height.
If height was over 90% genetic, South Koreans would not be 3 inches taller than North Koreans and rural Indians would not be3-4 inches shorter than urban Indians. In populations with unequal access to healthcare and nutrition, a significantly lower portion of height is genetic.
very well said and explained. Agreed. And that is why across all areas whenever there is better nutrition the generations grow taller. It is well documented and established. Nutrition and lifestyle trumps all.
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