Have you considered CT Scans? My doctor thinks it is a good way to confirm. You could also stand up straight as you can and get measured by a stadiometer. The other way I confirmed my height was to invite a friend over (he was 175) and compare my height vis-à-vis him.
Whatever, have you ruled out withdrawals? What medicines did you stop taking?
Quote from: ItsMyLife on February 24, 2015, 10:29:10 PMHave you considered CT Scans? My doctor thinks it is a good way to confirm. You could also stand up straight as you can and get measured by a stadiometer. The other way I confirmed my height was to invite a friend over (he was 175) and compare my height vis-à-vis him.
Whatever, have you ruled out withdrawals? What medicines did you stop taking?
I don't think it's withdrawals. I was on low doses of tramadol and a very low dose of Lyrica, but it's been over a week since I've taken them. I just take ibuprofen now for pain. Could those cause withdrawal mood swings? Lyrica I heard could, but I was on a very low dose (just taking 25mg once at night per day).
Well, I guess I could invite someone over who is 5'8" but that means they have to know their exact height too, and I'd feel weird doing that. Whatever. I think right now I'm going to try and go to 6.85cm...because that's almost the same thing as 7cm. Maybe I'll see how I feel when I get there. Because the difference between 6.85cm and 7cm is .05 inches (not that the current difference of .1 inch I'm at is even noticeable, lol).
I'm just ambivalent and torn. I'm not crazy. I will NEVER do a second LL...I will never have the time or money to do so, so this is IT for me. And while I'm dying to get back to my life and recover, I just want to have zero regrets.
Quote from: YellowSpike on February 24, 2015, 10:37:37 PMI don't think it's withdrawals. I was on low doses of tramadol and a very low dose of Lyrica, but it's been over a week since I've taken them. I just take ibuprofen now for pain. Could those cause withdrawal mood swings? Lyrica I heard could, but I was on a very low dose (just taking 25mg once at night per day).
Well, I guess I could invite someone over who is 5'8" but that means they have to know their exact height too, and I'd feel weird doing that. Whatever. I think right now I'm going to try and go to 6.85cm...because that's almost the same thing as 7cm. Maybe I'll see how I feel when I get there. Because the difference between 6.85cm and 7cm is .05 inches (not that the current difference of .1 inch I'm at is even noticeable, lol).
I'm just ambivalent and torn. I'm not crazy. I will NEVER do a second LL...I will never have the time or money to do so, so this is IT for me. And while I'm dying to get back to my life and recover, I just want to have zero regrets.
I don't think 25 mg lyrica is clinically significant. How much tramadol did you take? tramadol is not known as a very addictive drug but it DOES have withdrawal if you stop it. I took 150mg-200mg a day and when I stop it cold turkey 2 days ago I feel weird (and a different, more anxious mental state.. so I take codeine 30 mg twice a day to feel better). If I were you, I would continue to take 50 mg per day for the next week or so.
Just to stabilise your emotions. The mind is a very scary thing. A lot of things.. they are in your mind. And seriously? 1 mm or 2mm isn't any difference.. 5 mm might be.
Quote from: ItsMyLife on February 24, 2015, 10:49:43 PMI don't think 25 mg lyrica is clinically significant. How much tramadol did you take? tramadol is not known as a very addictive drug but it DOES have withdrawal if you stop it. I took 150mg-200mg a day and when I stop it cold turkey 2 days ago I feel weird (and a different, more anxious mental state.. so I take codeine 30 mg twice a day to feel better). If I were you, I would continue to take 50 mg per day for the next week or so.
Just to stabilise your emotions. The mind is a very scary thing. A lot of things.. they are in your mind. And seriously? 1 mm or 2mm isn't any difference.. 5 mm might be.
Well tramadol I was only taking 100mg intermittently. I have co-codamol with codeine, so maybe I'll take that for a few days. I have no more tramadol or Lyrica.
I know...there's really no difference at all between 6.75cm and 7cm. I guess I'm also an anal person and very hard on myself. 7cm was the top of my range. I'd care less if it weren't for the new knowledge of femur angles throwing off your actual gain in height. Because then I'd know for certain that I'm at 5'8" now. The only thing I wonder for myself is that, since I corrected my bowlegs (which were mild to moderate before LL), if that maybe "cancelled out" any loss the femur angles would result in (if that makes any sense).
Quote from: YellowSpike on February 24, 2015, 10:55:04 PMWell tramadol I was only taking 100mg intermittently. I have co-codamol with codeine, so maybe I'll take that for a few days. I have no more tramadol or Lyrica.
I know...there's really no difference at all between 6.75cm and 7cm. I guess I'm also an anal person and very hard on myself. 7cm was the top of my range. I'd care less if it weren't for the new knowledge of femur angles throwing off your actual gain in height. Because then I'd know for certain that I'm at 5'8" now. The only thing I wonder for myself is that, since I corrected my bowlegs (which were mild to moderate before LL), if that maybe "cancelled out" any loss the femur angles would result in (if that makes any sense).
I understand your points. And agree with the bolded parts.
I used to fret over the 0.5 mm I got from glucosamine. It is clinically measurable. But I think any gain below 5 mm, is not really measurable (let alone noticeable). Due to our spinal fluctuations, any gain less than 5 mm is subject to measurement error.
I think you should take some codeine and slowly taper that off to zero. Take it when you feel kinda anxious and notice how it makes you feel better about your situation. Or just take it when you are in pain.
All this narcotic crap f-es up your mind.
If you want a proper measurement, see an orthopaedic in your home country and evaluate the options. Either standing x-rays or CT scans and stadiometer measurement. At least it puts your mind at eaese
Quote from: ItsMyLife on February 24, 2015, 11:06:34 PMI understand your points. And agree with the bolded parts.
I used to fret over the 0.5 mm I got from glucosamine. It is clinically measurable. But I think any gain below 5 mm, is not really measurable (let alone noticeable). Due to our spinal fluctuations, any gain less than 5 mm is subject to measurement error.
I think you should take some codeine and slowly taper that off to zero. Take it when you feel kinda anxious and notice how it makes you feel better about your situation. Or just take it when you are in pain.
All this narcotic crap f-es up your mind.
If you want a proper measurement, see an orthopaedic in your home country and evaluate the options. Either standing x-rays or CT scans and stadiometer measurement. At least it puts your mind at eaese
Thanks a lot man. I appreciate your points and advice.
I think what's really bugged me is the new info about femur angles taking away some of what you actually gain. I thought I was finally at the finish line to my goal, but gaining that new information upset me and makd me wonder if I should continue on a bit.
At this point, I'm leaning towards going to 6.85cm...10mm is essentially nothing, but I'm just bargaining with myself and trying to get as close to 7cm as possible. Even those 25mm (the difference between where I'm at now and 7cm) isn't noticeable, I figured I'd split it down the middle, and then see how I feel. I could get there in 2-3 days no problem.
I think I'll take some co-codamol with codeine, do some biking, and then sleep on it, lol
Quote from: YellowSpike on February 24, 2015, 11:14:05 PMThanks a lot man. I appreciate your points and advice.
I think what's really bugged me is the new info about femur angles taking away some of what you actually gain. I thought I was finally at the finish line to my goal, but gaining that new information upset me and makd me wonder if I should continue on a bit.
At this point, I'm leaning towards going to 6.85cm...10mm is essentially nothing, but I'm just bargaining with myself and trying to get as close to 7cm as possible. Even those 25mm (the difference between where I'm at now and 7cm) isn't noticeable, I figured I'd split it down the middle, and then see how I feel. I could get there in 2-3 days no problem.
I think I'll take some co-codamol with codeine, do some biking, and then sleep on it, lol
you know, if I were you, I was worried about you losing 2 cm or so, as Sweden did. That crap is scary. But you should read diaries to see how common it is and get Guichet's confirmation that 2 cm loss is not likely or doesn't happen in his hands.
You said 10 mm. That's wrong. 10 mm is 1 cm. You meant 1 mm. Also, 6.85 cm vs 7 cm is only 2.5 mm and not 25 mm (25 mm = 2.5 cm).
All your feelings are probably due to:
1. As someone suggested here, you are going to (instead of being in flux) have a FIXED height soon.
2. The femur angle and bone compression discussions
3. The uncertainty of measurements (even if there is no femur or compression loss)
4. Your parent not feeling well, starting work soon = environmental factors
5. stopping or reducing your exercise (note: exercise =feel good hormones)
6. withdrawals
7. All this discussion you see about height here, all the distorted minds influencing each other.
Its just a confluence of factors making you feel like crap right now.
When I cold-turkey off Lyrica from ~200 mg to 0 mg, I got anxiety, so anxious it felt like the end of the world, and had physical symptoms too. But I always knew for a fact:
1. I can seek help/treatment. I mean I can do nailing, or seek psychiatric care/counselling.
2. There is light at the end of the tunnel (I just need to slowly taper the insane amount of Lyrica which was prescribed to me)
3. I will be fine, it is just a temporary situation
Just know that hope never dies ,and at the end of this you will be fine,.
Quote from: ItsMyLife on February 24, 2015, 11:24:21 PMyou know, if I were you, I was worried about you losing 2 cm or so, as Sweden did. That crap is scary. But you should read diaries to see how common it is and get Guichet's confirmation that 2 cm loss is not likely or doesn't happen in his hands.
You said 10 mm. That's wrong. 10 mm is 1 cm. You meant 1 mm. Also, 6.85 cm vs 7 cm is only 2.5 mm and not 25 mm (25 mm = 2.5 cm).
All your feelings are probably due to:
1. As someone suggested here, you are going to (instead of being in flux) have a FIXED height soon.
2. The femur angle and bone compression discussions
3. The uncertainty of measurements (even if there is no femur or compression loss)
4. Your parent not feeling well, starting work soon = environmental factors
5. stopping or reducing your exercise (note: exercise =feel good hormones)
6. withdrawals
7. All this discussion you see about height here, all the distorted minds influencing each other.
Its just a confluence of factors making you feel like crap right now.
When I cold-turkey off Lyrica from ~200 mg to 0 mg, I got anxiety, so anxious it felt like the end of the world, and had physical symptoms too. But I always knew for a fact:
1. I can seek help/treatment. I mean I can do nailing, or seek psychiatric care/counselling.
2. There is light at the end of the tunnel (I just need to slowly taper the insane amount of Lyrica which was prescribed to me)
3. I will be fine, it is just a temporary situation
Just know that hope never dies ,and at the end of this you will be fine,.
Fantastic post. I think you hit it on the nose. Thank you very much man.
Regardless...I just want to someday soon be at peace with my height. That's all I want now.
All Dr G said to me is that some patients lose 2mm due to compression, but he also said after 6cm, you don't lose anything. I don't know why, but that's what he said.
I heard my doctor say something like 3 mm or so (for tibia, regarding compression after taking off frames). So I guess its not that much. Don't worry about it. I think for you it is less, cos' you have a rod inside.
Also just to correct myself, 6.85 vs 7 cm is a difference of 0.15 cm, or 1.5 mm, that's insanely small (look at a ruler to see how small it is, it is tinier than an ant!)
Wish you all the best of luck, buddy! Hope to see you moving on in life (as I will, too). I am just really really bored mentally now. Trying to keep myself occupied. No pain, good sleep, but... the mental aspect, is quite tiring... it has taken a toll on both of us, I am sure.
Quote from: ItsMyLife on February 24, 2015, 11:49:22 PMI heard my doctor say something like 3 mm or so (for tibia, regarding compression after taking off frames). So I guess its not that much. Don't worry about it. I think for you it is less, cos' you have a rod inside.
Also just to correct myself, 6.85 vs 7 cm is a difference of 0.15 cm, or 1.5 mm, that's insanely small (look at a ruler to see how small it is, it is tinier than an ant!)
Wish you all the best of luck, buddy! Hope to see you moving on in life (as I will, too). I am just really really bored mentally now. Trying to keep myself occupied. No pain, good sleep, but... the mental aspect, is quite tiring... it has taken a toll on both of us, I am sure.
Yeah I think I'm going to stop at 6.85cm, because it's really so close to 7cm. Just 15 clicks away, so 2-3 more days. I just hope it doesn't set my recovery back too much, I can't see how it could. Figured I'd bargain with myself and split the oh-so-huge difference of 2.5mm lol
Yeah man I hope we can both put this behind us very soon!! Thanks again for your support. You got a friend here if you need one!
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