Yellowspike - Dr. Guichet, Internal Femurs, Late 2014

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Quote from: YellowSpike on March 27, 2015, 06:26:13 PMI really appreciate this - thank you MDoW It's just that I've had engrained into my head for so long that anything under 5'8" isn't acceptable. Even at my old height...I did pretty well with women. Through all my years of online dating (and pretty successful at it), whether for serious relationships or hookups, I kept seeing the lowest that these women demand is 5'8" (though most want 5'10" and up). But of course, I had to deal with comments from them and my friends on occassion. I'm not so much hung up on these hypothetical women per se, but the number is what got engrained into my head. I also would see many posts on various forums online and Hollywood short male celeb lists where 5'8/5'9 seems to be the "cut off." So that's why it was really important to me to be a solid 5'8". I know I'm thinking too much about it, but given all that I've sacrificed to do this LL (a sh*t ton of money, pain, time, etc), I really wanted this for myself.

There is a social difference between the system, like comparing 168cm and 183cm doesn't sound the same as 5'6" and 6ft. But for you metric sounds good because at least you are in the 170's.

I also had that problem on POF. When I wrote 5'6" I got almost very few replies that never turned into dates, but when I changed it to 5'8" then suddenly I got more replies and dates than I wanted before, even from girls that rejected me from before (they forgot my old height and didn't notice my changed height as I wear elevator shoes).

You are probably stuck on the 5'8" because maybe you are a goal-oriented person and we live in a capitalist world where numbers are very important even though it doesn't translate the same in real life.

As I said before you could look into Rolfing.

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Quote from: Uppland on March 27, 2015, 07:05:49 PMYellowspike I'm sure you're gonna be a success just like shyshy.

Your recovery is important anyway, what kind of picture will we get if only the luckiest patients update their diaries?

Except, I'm not. I'm not a success, because I didn't reach my goal (at least, I'm not at all confident that I did). Like w1998 suggested, I'm a very type-A goal oriented person. It's killing me that I didn't reach my goal. And it nauseates me to think that I now have to do a second LL...

You guys are very lucky to have such great starting heights. My genetics f*cked me over twice now.

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twice?

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Quote from: YellowSpike on March 27, 2015, 07:21:13 PM
Except, I'm not. I'm not a success, because I didn't reach my goal (at least, I'm not at all confident that I did). Like w1998 suggested, I'm a very type-A goal oriented person. It's killing me that I didn't reach my goal. And it nauseates me to think that I now have to do a second LL...

Who knows maybe those few mm that you didn't get would have opened the floodgates for complications and even worse recovery. Almost every LLer that lengthened big has mentioned how they wished they did less and it could have been you — Leechlet (the guy you mentioned who inspired you) said that less is better in one of his now-deleted youtube videos. Even Apo who was obsessed and encouraged over lengthening now tells everyone to not lengthen too much and "not to be too greedy".

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Stop this rubbish mate, you're starting to sound like ItsMyLife the way you're obsessing about nothing.

Your goal was 173CM wasn't it? So then you reached it, this is just the post-LL blues.

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Quote from: w1988 on March 27, 2015, 08:00:30 PMWho knows maybe those few mm that you didn't get would have opened the floodgates for complications and even worse recovery. Almost every LLer that lengthened big has mentioned how they wished they did less and it could have been you — Leechlet (the guy you mentioned who inspired you) said that less is better in one of his now-deleted youtube videos. Even Apo who was obsessed and encouraged over lengthening now tells everyone to not lengthen too much and "not to be too greedy".

Appreciate the kind words. I had no choice, Dr. G told me to stop, and even if he didn't, clicking had become excruciatingly painful when it wasn't painful at all previously

Still, it just doesn't change the way I feel. I really wanted to close the door on this forever, but since I'm not happy, I feel like I will still have height neurosis. And as we all know, the only way to get taller is to do the horrible process we all know as LL. I just don't know logistically when I could take more time off from work to do another one of these. I thought about re-breaking my femurs next year, but then my proportions would look terrible. So my only options is tibias at this point, which I really did not want to do. FML...

Quote from: Uppland on March 27, 2015, 08:14:36 PMStop this rubbish mate, you're starting to sound like ItsMyLife the way you're obsessing about nothing.

Your goal was 173CM wasn't it? So then you reached it, this is just the post-LL blues.

I know I'm obsessing, but you wouldn't understand. You already are a decent height, taller than I ever will be. I'm very goal oriented, and really wanted to be a solid 172.72 at night. I'm borderline at best, and terrified of shrinking below it. You'll see - if you ever do LL, for all you sacrifice - you want your goal.

Anyway - I'm going to just focus on recovery for now. I've been walking more, and it's improving. So I guess that's something to be happy about. I just feel like I can't move forward knowing that I didn't finish what I set out to do, but I will keep going.

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You were short before and now you're not.

Also Dr G. doesn't mention what height you can achieve right? He's the "we'll see' type due to the uncertain nature of CLL. You shouldn't have had any goals in the first place. You made it to average height and don't stand out, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that was your reason for doing CLL.

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Quote from: w1988 on March 27, 2015, 08:28:33 PMYou were short before and now you're not.

Also Dr G. doesn't mention what height you can achieve right? He's the "we'll see' type due to the uncertain nature of CLL. You shouldn't have had any goals in the first place. You made it to average height and don't stand out, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that was your reason for doing CLL.

Yes, you are right on both accounts. He will tell you a range that you can probably expect, and I fell into that range (actually, towards the higher end of it). So I suppose I shouldn't complain too much.

Well, average is 5'9.5" for my country (maybe higher for my age group, I don't know), so I'm still short. And that's fine, I knew I was still gonna be short after just one LL. I've already said several times why 5'8" meant a lot to me, but it is what it is.

You mentioned rolfing...is that legit at all? If I could find a way to squeeze out another .5-1 inch without LL, it would be amazing. I just don't think it's possible, or at least I'm very skeptical. A few have mentioned glucoasmine and inversion, but that would only be temporary.

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My dad stopped by to bring some documents I need to file some insurance claims. He insisted on measuring me (I said no at first). He had me at almost 5'8.25" (it's 5pm in the evening here), so maybe my mini breakdown was premature. I told him that I'm done measuring myself, and I don't want to be measured anymore, at least not until my back is fixed. Like the wise MDoW said to me once, we have a "range" of heights. My ex roommate (who knew about my height neurosis) even once said "no one knows exactly how tall they are."

Time to stop measuring/obsessing and focus on recovery/walking. So thankful I don't have to click anymore...even if Dr. G didn't explicitly say "stop" like he did today, I really doubt I had it in me to click anymore.

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Quote from: YellowSpike on March 27, 2015, 08:35:33 PMYes, you are right on both accounts. He will tell you a range that you can probably expect, and I fell into that range (actually, towards the higher end of it). So I suppose I shouldn't complain too much.

Well, average is 5'9.5" for my country (maybe higher for my age group, I don't know), so I'm still short. And that's fine, I knew I was still gonna be short after just one LL. I've already said several times why 5'8" meant a lot to me, but it is what it is.

You mentioned rolfing...is that legit at all? If I could find a way to squeeze out another .5-1 inch without LL, it would be amazing. I just don't think it's possible, or at least I'm very skeptical. A few have mentioned glucoasmine and inversion, but that would only be temporary.

Below the discrete numerical average is not short. Average should be considered a range, not a discrete number. Average in the US is probably 5' 8" to 5' 11" so you are not short.

I am in the same boat as you with the glucosamine and inversion. 1 CM more nighttime height is HUGE (keeping my fingers crossed this summer)