5'8 vs 5'10

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Btw dude, I ran over your post history.

 For your own good, forget about this surgery.. You have severe body image disorder (small frame in your opinion, small head (?!), small penis, small hands, HGH defficiency, afterwards it's testosterone defficiency..)
  Dude, I bet women can smell you huge insecurities miles away. and you surely give bad vibed because of it.
I am really telling this for your own good and for wanting you to do the right decision. First get rid of this suffering you have imprisioned yourself into. Afterwards, once you feel good with yourself, if you will still be unhappy with your height, do this surgery. Now it will do you no good

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on June 24, 2017, 12:22:51 AMBtw dude, I ran over your post history.

 For your own good, forget about this surgery.. You have severe body image disorder (small frame in your opinion, small head (?!), small penis, small hands, HGH defficiency, afterwards it's testosterone defficiency..)
  Dude, I bet women can smell you huge insecurities miles away. and you surely give bad vibed because of it.
I am really telling this for your own good and for wanting you to do the right decision. First get rid of this suffering you have imprisioned yourself into. Afterwards, once you feel good with yourself, if you will still be unhappy with your height, do this surgery. Now it will do you no good

I am not doing the surgery now anyway. I'm in school and saving up for it later. Yes women can sure smell the insecurity a mile away however even if I am not insecure I still won't get with them. Why do you think I became insecure in the first place?

Also there is a problem and maybe it might be my looks like you mentioned I can't rule things out.

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Quote from: MrHandsome on June 24, 2017, 12:24:48 AMI am not doing the surgery now anyway. I'm in school and saving up for it later. Yes women can sure smell the insecurity a mile away however even if I am not insecure I still won't get with them. Why do you think I became insecure in the first place?

Also there is a problem and maybe it might be my looks like you mentioned I can't rule things out.

Why you won't get with them? How many girls you expressed interest in have said to you "no! and it's because you are short/too short for me"?

btw, which country are you from?

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on June 24, 2017, 12:29:32 AMWhy you won't get with them? How many girls you expressed interest in have said to you "no! and it's because you are short/too short for me"?

btw, which country are you from?

A lot of girls told me I was too short either directly or indirectly. Plus I also don't like being the shortest guy everywhere. In the US most younger people are tall. I have some other problems I need to sort out too though.

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on June 24, 2017, 12:05:34 AMIf at 5'8 you are finding it very hard to date women than you are ugly. an ugly guy who is truely on the somewhat short side of average. After surgery you will be an average height ugly guy. Even if you will make it to 6' you will just be an ugly tall guy.
That's not true. I have many successes with women and many rejects too and my evening height is about 5.85. I have a good face, much better than the average guy, and some big (not huge) muscles but still for many women my height is a drawback that even if they get away with it they still are not completely ok with it.
There are some women too (like my current gf) that don't think that I have any drawback with my height but still the majority of good looking women are not completely ok with a 5.8-5.9 guy and you have to compensate for it with extraordinary good face or a very built body or something else, while above 5.11 (maybe even 5.10) you don't have to compensate for your height at all.

Mrhandsome going from 5.8 to 5.10 will make a good difference and almost no woman will find you short while on 5.8 the majority of women would find you on the shorter side. Not short in general but still not tall enough for them something that it doesn't exist at 5.10. Even there your height will not be a benefit but it will not be a drawback at all too.
At your height, I would push it a little more and go for 2.5 or even 3 inches which are not something too risky for femurs and even in tibias almost anyone could handle 2.5 inches relatively safely, so you would be very close to 5.11 which imo is the border where height stops to matter and starts to become a benefit.
5.10 is a very respectable height but I personally believe that things really change at 5.11.

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Quote from: Body Builder on June 24, 2017, 12:42:03 AMThat's not true. I have many successes with women and many rejects too and my evening height is about 5.85. I have a good face, much better than the average guy, and some big (not huge) muscles but still for many women my height is a drawback that even if they get away with it they still are not completely ok with it.
There are some women too (like my current gf) that don't think that I have any drawback with my height but still the majority of good looking women are not completely ok with a 5.8-5.9 guy and you have to compensate for it with extraordinary good face or a very built body or something else, while above 5.11 (maybe even 5.10) you don't have to compensate for your height at all.

Mrhandsome going from 5.8 to 5.10 will make a good difference and almost no woman will find you short while on 5.8 the majority of women would find you on the shorter side. Not short in general but still not tall enough for them something that it doesn't exist at 5.10. Even there your height will not be a benefit but it will not be a drawback at all too.
At your height, I would push it a little more and go for 2.5 or even 3 inches which are not something too risky for femurs and even in tibias almost anyone could handle 2.5 inches relatively safely, so you would be very close to 5.11 which imo is the border where height stops to matter and starts to become a benefit.
5.10 is a very respectable height but I personally believe that things really change at 5.11.

Yes 5'11 is where height is no longer an issue however I heard that complications get bad past 5 cm so I will be happy with 5'10 where height is no longer the first thing people notice about me.

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Programdude was 5'8 and has had immense success with women perior to his LL

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on June 24, 2017, 12:59:02 AMProgramdude was 5'8 and has had immense success with women perior to his LL
I don't know what programdude did but I am talking from my personal experience and I must confess that I am more successful in dating than almost any men I know who is less than 5.11. But still I am not as successful I would be if I was taller, even a little, than average man which is 5.10,5 in my country.

So if programdude was so successful with women, why he did LL. Personally the only thing that a man at this height lacks is the success in datings that taller men have. If they are so successful on that then they have almost no real reason to do LL as at that height they don't suffer from heightism as they are considered about average and not really short.

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Wear some lifts that are 2 or 3 inches and see how you feel. If you like your height while wearing the lifts then you could do surgery but not before you sort out your other things. IMO a legit 5'10" is a great height. Don't listen to those on the internet who claim 5'10" is short, even with 5'8" your not really short but just below average.

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^I was just about to suggest the lifts. See how well you do with women while wearing the lifts as compared to without them.

I don't know what to say about this issue, actually. I strongly suspect it all depends on what kind of women you go for. I know many guys who say all women care about height and others for whom it's never been a problem. All I can say is that it wasn't a problem for me until I came to university (which was a couple of years post school for me so I've had some experience of "adult life" beforehand). The women are different here to what I'm used to, is all.

Regardless, if your aim is to get surgery, while you're saving up for it try a whole bunch of other things you can improve and try to keep a positive attitude. You might find it's not worth it after all.