9 centimeters on tibias with Dr. Barinov, Volgograd-Russia

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Lol idk I was called that by some people in the forums

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with my doctor, he standing at 179cms lol i think if I lengthen 5cms our arms will be at the same height lol or around there

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Did you get to see Michail Goldreyer (the very first cosmetic patient of the clinic)? He was 1.70 and now he is 1.76m. There's a video on YouTube where he seems to have recovered fully and even showed his scars and they are totally gone.

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Hey RGKEY, nice x-rays, hope you are enjoying life right now with your new height!

I have some questions for you if you have the time:

1. Im now in consolidation phase, so how important is it to wear the footholders when you arent lengthening anymore? I assume it still is important but maybe not as much? (considering i dont have any ballerina to begin with)

2. Also how important is it to keep your knees straightened in consolidation phase if you dont have knee bend? assuming you stretch every now and then as well? still important but not a big deal if you sleep some times with a pillow under them?

3. And finally, assuming you have walked a lot in lengthening phase, the pin bending should already have happened once you get to the consolidation phase. And most people claim there is a maximum ammount the pins can bend which varies from which device you use. My doctor told me i could lose 3 mm at most from pin bending as they are using a very hard steel material and thicker than average pins. However i have walked much, but very little without support, only standing straight every now and then and letting my legs bear my full weight. The doctor has told me that patients on average are able to walk without aid with the frames about 2 months after surgery.

So the question is, could i potentially lose even more height due to pin bending if i walk for longer without aid in consolidation phase, even if i already lost 3 mm in lengthening phase? assuming the maximum pin bend theory is true i shouldnt lose more. However you should know from experience, you stopped lengthening after about 5 months right? and after that you walked alot without aid and even with extra luggage to train. Did your pins keep bending long into the consolidation phase? or had you already gotten the maximum pin bending and turned the extra turns to make up for it and then you could walk freely without worrying about losing more?

sorry for the convoluted question but i wanted to make myself clear, thank you!

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Quote from: Leonardo2013 on April 30, 2014, 11:56:28 AMDid you get to see Michail Goldreyer (the very first cosmetic patient of the clinic)? He was 1.70 and now he is 1.76m. There's a video on YouTube where he seems to have recovered fully and even showed his scars and they are totally gone.

Yes I saw him everyday. He is not a very charming person. But overall not bad either. He said he is now 174 he lost height due to aging I suppose. He is fine. He is fully recovered he said when he was younger he did sports and everything post op. He was a very active person. He is talks like a fking general, I didn't like him for a long time. But at the end he went with me to get mu visa fixed and he behaved like a good man. So at the end I was ok with him.

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Quote from: Wannabegiant on April 30, 2014, 12:15:36 PMHey RGKEY, nice x-rays, hope you are enjoying life right now with your new height!

I have some questions for you if you have the time:

1. Im now in consolidation phase, so how important is it to wear the footholders when you arent lengthening anymore? I assume it still is important but maybe not as much? (considering i dont have any ballerina to begin with)

2. Also how important is it to keep your knees straightened in consolidation phase if you dont have knee bend? assuming you stretch every now and then as well? still important but not a big deal if you sleep some times with a pillow under them?

3. And finally, assuming you have walked a lot in lengthening phase, the pin bending should already have happened once you get to the consolidation phase. And most people claim there is a maximum ammount the pins can bend which varies from which device you use. My doctor told me i could lose 3 mm at most from pin bending as they are using a very hard steel material and thicker than average pins. However i have walked much, but very little without support, only standing straight every now and then and letting my legs bear my full weight. The doctor has told me that patients on average are able to walk without aid with the frames about 2 months after surgery.

So the question is, could i potentially lose even more height due to pin bending if i walk for longer without aid in consolidation phase, even if i already lost 3 mm in lengthening phase? assuming the maximum pin bend theory is true i shouldnt lose more. However you should know from experience, you stopped lengthening after about 5 months right? and after that you walked alot without aid and even with extra luggage to train. Did your pins keep bending long into the consolidation phase? or had you already gotten the maximum pin bending and turned the extra turns to make up for it and then you could walk freely without worrying about losing more?

sorry for the convoluted question but i wanted to make myself clear, thank you!

1)) it's important because your feet will want to go ballerina on you, try and sleep one day without then and see if you feel any difference, Im not supose to even recommend you this but i did this, and in the morning I felt how my feet were more sore than usual. So I kept using them, but im not gonna lie to you maybe 2 weeks before i got my last frame removed I stopped using them lol but by then I was almost running with my frame hehe. so i guess just see how you feel. if you see your feet are going down start wearing them asap. my doc says you must use them until you get your frames removes, because the pins will put extra tension on your muscles and pull your feet down. He is the doc so he definately knows more than u and me together and multi[ply by 10 lol

2) IMPORTANT, because there are 2 things, bone contraction and muscle contraption, so if you have no knee contraction u will still have some muscle contraction, so it is good to stretch no matter what, even now im stretching because my knee are not completely straight.

3)))during consolidation you shouldnt lose height only during lengthening. the pins are way too strong to keep bending, they might break but that's all. the pins my doct uses can bare 120 pounds just one, and i had 7 more, so thats a lot of weight, but your muscles plus weight plus movement will break them depending on how strong are your muscles. I broke 32 pins can u imagine, my doc says that is probably the record in the world lol and i think he is right haha

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Quote from: RGKEY on April 30, 2014, 03:12:51 PM1)) it's important because your feet will want to go ballerina on you, try and sleep one day without then and see if you feel any difference, Im not supose to even recommend you this but i did this, and in the morning I felt how my feet were more sore than usual. So I kept using them, but im not gonna lie to you maybe 2 weeks before i got my last frame removed I stopped using them lol but by then I was almost running with my frame hehe. so i guess just see how you feel. if you see your feet are going down start wearing them asap. my doc says you must use them until you get your frames removes, because the pins will put extra tension on your muscles and pull your feet down. He is the doc so he definately knows more than u and me together and multi[ply by 10 lol

2) IMPORTANT, because there are 2 things, bone contraction and muscle contraption, so if you have no knee contraction u will still have some muscle contraction, so it is good to stretch no matter what, even now im stretching because my knee are not completely straight.

3)))during consolidation you shouldnt lose height only during lengthening. the pins are way too strong to keep bending, they might break but that's all. the pins my doct uses can bare 120 pounds just one, and i had 7 more, so thats a lot of weight, but your muscles plus weight plus movement will break them depending on how strong are your muscles. I broke 32 pins can u imagine, my doc says that is probably the record in the world lol and i think he is right haha

Thank you bro! about question 3 though, what happens if you break a pin? can the other pins keep the bone in place until they replace the broken one or can that make you lose height? :p although my doctor said that the version of ilizarov i use have thicker pins that wont break but still its best i am prepared for it, i wont be able to replace it myself if it happens.

Also when you say you had 8 pins, is that the total ammount including the ones on the ankle ring? Because my frames have 12 pins each, and the ankle rings have 6 pins that are thinner than the 6 that are at the rings under the knee. Where your pins of different thicknesses or where they all the same size?

thank you again man!

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yeah your pins are huge!! my pins were very thin! I had 7 on each leg. many times I was walking with even 4 pins on one leg. The master Ilizarov said you only need 2 pins on the ankle and 2 near the knee. so it's all good. you have even thicker pins so don't worry about anything really.

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I would recommend you thou to lengthen at least .5cms more than you original goal because you never reallynknow how much the pins can bend. Even if he says 3mms max this is not an wxact science so I will go .5cms just to be on the safe side)))

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Quote from: RGKEY on April 30, 2014, 04:36:14 PMI would recommend you thou to lengthen at least .5cms more than you original goal because you never reallynknow how much the pins can bend. Even if he says 3mms max this is not an wxact science so I will go .5cms just to be on the safe side)))

thanks, yeah i think so too, but 2 mm more or less is no big deal for me im just confused as to wheter my pins have already bent their maximum, because i have been walking quite a lot overall, but still i used the walker for aid, so for the most part i didnt put full weight on the legs, but i tried to do that every once in a while.

Because if they are already bent, then i am satisfied with what i have now even if the x-ray shows i have only lengthened 3.5 or 3.7 cm, but if there will be more bending once i start walking more without using the walker in consolidation phase, then im worried i wont feel tall enough anymore. Id like to be at the height i am at currently.

The reason this is hard to confirm, is that if my own measurement of myself is correct, then very little pin bending seems to have happened since i am 178-179 right now. But also the spine height fluctuates so im not sure, and also since my weight is like 60 KG then maybe that isnt enough to get the pins to bend until i start walking fully without aid for long walks.