Quote from: cheekycabs on July 14, 2019, 01:08:56 PMMy wife helped me get through the entire process, actually.
Yes she uses it against me in arguments.
So, you're an idiot. Best tell no one.
if she reminds u how much she helped u whats wrong in that? does she mock u for doing LL? u were married so u had no option than telling her.
Quote from: TinyTL on July 14, 2019, 01:19:05 PMIm a vet and I think you're overthinking here.
If I were you I would start with babysteps such as getting rid of that virginity of yours.
Once you get your first gf, maybe think of the questions you mention.
Good luck boyo ! 
ned_flanders 
, i love u. u are very entertaining. 
pls dont leave the forum. 
Quote from: fodawupa on July 14, 2019, 02:06:08 PMif she reminds u how much she helped u whats wrong in that? does she mock u for doing LL? u were married so u had no option than telling her.
Yeah I love that a decision to help my height dysmorphia gets shoved in my face every time we have an argument about anything. You're just giving them one more thing to bitch at you about. Mock me for doing LL? No. But she does say that i've sucked up all her time since she's had to help me.
You're just asking for more trouble telling people about it. All that is going to happen is arguments stemming from it, such as how stupid of an idea it is. No one who's not in this position knows the mental and psychological effects it has on someone. Telling someone who just won't understand will just welcome a slew of unneeded arguments.
And no we werent married before. We got married during my LL. So, wrong again. She could've left, I could've left.
Why did your wife support you getting this surgery?
Did she attempt to talk you out if it?This could provide some perspective for those that talk about ethics all the time lol
Quote from: Heightmare on July 14, 2019, 01:50:12 PMWhy do ethics matter to us? Most of the people undergoing the surgery aren't doctors.
In the worst case scenario this surgery is only going to damage the patient and not others.
With this in mind, is being selfish ethically wrong or should we wallow in self pity and dysphoria for the rest of our lives due to some other person's ethical standards?To many the latter would be ethically wrong, so there's a contradiction.
You seem to be implying that your wife wouldn't be decietful in her own appearance ,despite may women using makeup,pull-up bras,etc. You could argue that is also ethically wrong ,but you can't because that's sxxist apparently.
I can assure you as well as a short male ,this surgery isn't entirely about women. Society tells short men that they must act a certain way and any attempts to improve themselves are immediately negated by saying :'Oh he's compensating'.
Finally ,I understand that many here would mock others for using this surgery to get girls ,but you have to understand women are extremely shallow when it comes to a man's physical appearance ,contrary to popular belief, and height is a huge factor in a man's attractiveness (although face>height.Hint ,hint those at 5 7' and above on this forum).
I've honestly never understood society for mocking men that seek companionship ,it's biologically instinctive.The fact that many men have to undergo this surgery just to increase their chances of finding a partner really highlights how tacitly judgemental society is towards men.
i respect ur opinion.
ur saying it is unethical, but u have no other option. fair point. i like ur clarity, unlike others who try to avoid the topic.
u will be surprised how easy its to detect LL by family & close friends. if anyone very young reading this and wants to do LL in the future in full privacy, dont tell anyone ANYTHING about ANYTHING related LL, height, whatever. act like ur happy until ur ready to get LL. atleast that is the best strategy until u decide whether u want to keep it fully private.
Ethics are neither set in stone or universal,they are simple a reflection of a person's or society judgement on what's right and wrong. Therefore, they are an extension of a person's own philosophy or the Zeitgeist of the time.
Regardless in the west many have already undergone cosmetic alterations in the form of dental work.People with spend extortionate amounts of money to get that perfect Hollywood smile. I've never been concerned with a girl's dental work and she's never been concerned with mine.
So you can see what society deems appropriate and what it doesn't is quite frankly stupid.
I think many who don't suffer from height neurosis don't understand how it affects a person.
Height dysphoria and gender dysphoria are no different at the end of the day. Except we're not asking the tax payer to fund our surgery.
Quote from: Heightmare on July 14, 2019, 01:50:12 PMWhy do ethics matter to us? Most of the people undergoing the surgery aren't doctors.
In the worst case scenario this surgery is only going to damage the patient and not others.
With this in mind, is being selfish ethically wrong or should we wallow in self pity and dysphoria for the rest of our lives due to some other person's ethical standards?To many the latter would be ethically wrong, so there's a contradiction.
You seem to be implying that your wife wouldn't be decietful in her own appearance ,despite may women using makeup,pull-up bras,etc. You could argue that is also ethically wrong ,but you can't because that's sxxist apparently.
I can assure you as well as a short male ,this surgery isn't entirely about women. Society tells short men that they must act a certain way and any attempts to improve themselves are immediately negated by saying :'Oh he's compensating'.
Finally ,I understand that many here would mock others for using this surgery to get girls ,but you have to understand women are extremely shallow when it comes to a man's physical appearance ,contrary to popular belief, and height is a huge factor in a man's attractiveness (although face>height.Hint ,hint those at 5 7' and above on this forum).
I've honestly never understood society for mocking men that seek companionship ,it's biologically instinctive.The fact that many men have to undergo this surgery just to increase their chances of finding a partner really highlights how tacitly judgemental society is towards men.
true
in truth, this society is way more picky about men physical appearence than female appearence
it explains why only a minority of men have success with women, but also at work while most women could easily find a boyfriend or a decent job
but if it was only about that, it would be good. But actually it concerns all aspects of your life, destroying your self esteem
Today, making nose or boobs surgery is quite normal. So why LL would be less ethical while the benefits will be way bigger than just having a larger breast or a thinner nose ?
Quote from: Heightmare on July 14, 2019, 02:46:45 PMEthics are neither set in stone or universal,they are simple a reflection of a person's or society judgement on what's right and wrong. Therefore, they are an extension of a person's own philosophy or the Zeitgeist of the time.
Regardless in the west many have already undergone cosmetic alterations in the form of dental work.People with spend extortionate amounts of money to get that perfect Hollywood smile. I've never been concerned with a girl's dental work and she's never been concerned with mine.
So you can see what society deems appropriate and what it doesn't is quite frankly stupid.
I think many who don't suffer from height neurosis don't understand how it affects a person.
Height dysphoria and gender dysphoria are no different at the end of the day. Except we're not asking the tax payer to fund our surgery.
to be honest, even gender dysphoria is more accepted than height dysphoria. Just try to talk about it with a psychiatric, he will laugh at you and won't take it seriously. While for gender dysphoria, if you come from a developed country they will seriously believe you and help you
Exactly ,I do think those near average male height or above simply need psychological help and their neurosis would most likely likely persist after surgery but for those that are three or more inches below average then I believe the surgery would be incredibly beneficial...
The thing is short men face immense discrimination , it's something that is measurable. It's high time society starts talking about it, I'm beginning to believe short men are among the most marginalised groups in Western society
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