At the end of the day, is it all for women?

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Mate no one wants to read your contemplative mountains of text  like seriously what are you even going on about....

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Quote from: CaptainAmerica on February 27, 2017, 08:33:39 PMMate no one wants to read your contemplative mountains of text  like seriously what are you even going on about....

I'm discussing the subject of the post on a discussion board, I thought this was obvious. For whatever reason you don't want to and that's fine, please make it clear prior to me responding that you have no intention of civil and constructive discussion so I don't waste either of our time trying to do so by replying to you - of course you can always just ignore my posts! Have a good evening my friend.

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When someone is displeased with a physical attribute, it's usually because it makes the person think that he is unattractive. Having a GF/BF, spouse or whatever won't change that...
  It would be wrong to say "Someone want to change something about themselves for a specific person from the opposite sxx". But to say "I want to change this specific physical aspet because I want to feel more attractive (to the opposite sxx of course...Unless you are gay so you want to be attractive to the same sxx)" is ok and having a love partner wont change that.

 Edit: And a good marker to one's attractivness is the interest he is getting from the opposite sex of course.

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on February 27, 2017, 08:42:20 PMWhen someone is displeased with a physical attribute, it's usually because it makes the person think that he is unattractive. Having a GF/BF, spouse or whatever won't change that...
  It would be wrong to say "Someone want to change something about themselves for a specific person from the opposite sxx". But to say "I want to change this specific physical aspet because I want to feel more attractive (to the opposite sxx of course...Unless you are gay so you want to be attractive to the same sxx)" is ok and having a love partner wont change that.

 Edit: And a good marker to one's attractivness is the interest he is getting from the opposite sxx of course.

Very well said.

My answer to the topic is that if you are short (less than 5.7), you want LL to feel normal and not receive height discrimination in every aspect of your life.

If you are about average (5.7-5.10), you don't face this discrimination and if you are generally masculine enough (with not a babyface and with some muscles on you) you'll get a complete respect for the majority of men regardless that you are not tall.
But for many women your height, even you are completely ok in every other aspect, won't be enough to get attracted to you so imo, yes, if you are close to average and want to do LL then it is mainly for women.

Personally, I did my first LL when I was 5.6,5 to feel normal.
Now that I'm 5.9 I plan my second LL to reach a solid 5.11  to have the social benefits of being more than average and never have any problem with the vast majority of women due to my height.
So for now yes, my most significant by far reason to do a second LL is for women.

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I wonder Big Daddy, do you have friends in the 5'9 (175cm given or take) height range? Did you ever ask them how they feel about their height? I have friends in those heights and they are all content

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I agree with the first half of what you said BB - being 5ft4 I just want to be normal/average to get rid of the feeling I have down inside me, I'm going to be doing this solely for me to move on with my life and clear my mind of it. I can't say for anyone who is average height doing this however.

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So any mod gonna do something about big daddy troll. I remember Zaney was banned for the same thing.

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Yes, I won't deny a lot of it is, but I don't think that's the "full package".

Mostly I'm pissed that I have to work that little bit harder than other men when it comes down to day-to-day life. At this stage in my own life, I really can't be asked with making the extra effort any more. I admit I have body image issues and I really cannot be bothered apologising to society for them any more. So I don't.

When it comes to girls/women, it used to bother me a lot more. Now I just don't bother trying any harder to compensate for my height. Sure, not as many women are interested in me as there might be, but I still attract the kind of women I want to attract and that's OK with me. As I said, I don't try to compensate any more, partly because it's fruitless and partly because I'm not interested in being with a woman who doesn't like me for me.

That said, the thing that annoys me more is that something as innocuous as height (5'8 for me) seems to disqualify about half of women, give or take. I've never been turned down directly because of my height, on the other hand I've had unsolicited passive-aggressive BS from women like "you'd be cute if you were a couple of inches taller", and I've been told I've had "short man syndrome" because of (apparently) high self-esteem (I'm not at all even aggressive) which I've found really irritating. I'm not interested in impressing people that think that way, but I still find it tiring. That also seems like a bad reason to do LL, but it has undeniably affected my self-confidence. So that's probably one of my main motivations for doing LL. I generally get enough respect from other men and I don't want to go into the corporate world.

The only other annoying thing about being only a bit short is that I can easily be invisible, on the other hand that can be a bonus too. I don't think getting to 5'10 will change that much, on the other hand it'll make it a bit easier to be visible.

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Quote from: Jack1066 on February 28, 2017, 01:55:22 PMYes, I won't deny a lot of it is, but I don't think that's the "full package".

Mostly I'm pissed that I have to work that little bit harder than other men when it comes down to day-to-day life. At this stage in my own life, I really can't be asked with making the extra effort any more. I admit I have body image issues and I really cannot be bothered apologising to society for them any more. So I don't.

When it comes to girls/women, it used to bother me a lot more. Now I just don't bother trying any harder to compensate for my height. Sure, not as many women are interested in me as there might be, but I still attract the kind of women I want to attract and that's OK with me. As I said, I don't try to compensate any more, partly because it's fruitless and partly because I'm not interested in being with a woman who doesn't like me for me.

That said, the thing that annoys me more is that something as innocuous as height (5'8 for me) seems to disqualify about half of women, give or take. I've never been turned down directly because of my height, on the other hand I've had unsolicited passive-aggressive BS from women like "you'd be cute if you were a couple of inches taller", and I've been told I've had "short man syndrome" because of (apparently) high self-esteem (I'm not at all even aggressive) which I've found really irritating. I'm not interested in impressing people that think that way, but I still find it tiring. That also seems like a bad reason to do LL, but it has undeniably affected my self-confidence. So that's probably one of my main motivations for doing LL. I generally get enough respect from other men and I don't want to go into the corporate world.

The only other annoying thing about being only a bit short is that I can easily be invisible, on the other hand that can be a bonus too. I don't think getting to 5'10 will change that much, on the other hand it'll make it a bit easier to be visible.

Being automatically disqualified by half of the women for being 1.2-2 inches below average is a little extreme

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Well, it's my experience from what women have commented.

But in my experience a lot of women don't have entirely rigid height limits unless they are superficial or insecure.

I am also more like 3 inches below average in my city. It depends on where you go. I live among a wealthy, white student population.