At the end of the day, is it all for women?

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Quote from: Jack1066 on February 28, 2017, 02:11:45 PMWell, it's my experience from what women have commented.

But in my experience a lot of women don't have entirely rigid height limits unless they are superficial or insecure.

I am also more like 3 inches below average in my city. It depends on where you go. I live among a wealthy, white student population.

Maybe if they are superficial. But superficiality doesn't always correlates with good looks. Another theme that I think that needs to be put to rest is that "the more attractive the women is, the more likely she will seek a tall guy" which is infesting this forum

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Quote from: Jack1066 on February 28, 2017, 01:55:22 PM

The only other annoying thing about being only a bit short is that I can easily be invisible, on the other hand that can be a bonus too. I don't think getting to 5'10 will change that much, on the other hand it'll make it a bit easier to be visible.

This may go against what many think in this forum but 2 inches would make a world of difference. Goin from 5'8 to 5'10 would definitely help. Maybe not in the dating game but in my opinion 5'10 - 6'2 range becomes very ideal

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Maybe you're right, yyes. I kind of hope so but at the same time I don't lol.

Yes I agree with you TIBIKE, attractive women are not especially likely to be superficial. On the other hand, if you yourself only look for what are conventionally considered to be good looks in a partner though, don't be surprised if you also end up finding superficial women.

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I think 5'10 is a decent compromise height when it comes to dating, actually. Most women won't turn you down based on your height (unless they are overly superficial, and in which case I'm glad I missed them, or tall, but many tall women are also less fussy about height) and you still get the women who prefer average-to-short men (it may or may not surprise you but they really do exist- especially shorter women who sometimes prefer the compatibility).

I forgot to say, TIBIKE, I am 21 years old, so I think that explains why there are so many superficial women around at my age. I prefer women a few years older generally speaking, for that reason, but I look a little young in the face, which doesn't help

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Quote from: Jack1066 on February 28, 2017, 03:19:05 PMI think 5'10 is a decent compromise height when it comes to dating, actually. Most women won't turn you down based on your height (unless they are overly superficial, and in which case I'm glad I missed them, or tall, but many tall women are also less fussy about height) and you still get the women who prefer average-to-short men (it may or may not surprise you but they really do exist- especially shorter women who sometimes prefer the compatibility).

I forgot to say, TIBIKE, I am 21 years old, so I think that explains why there are so many superficial women around at my age. I prefer women a few years older generally speaking, for that reason, but I look a little young in the face, which doesn't help

I am 26 years old and I 90% of the time dated women between 20-25 years old.

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@ jack1066: at 5.8 at don't think you are invisible to anyone.
Yes, some women will reject you only for that and the majority of women would like you to be taller, even if they don't reject you. So yes, at these heights which are close to average (5.8-5.9) we still have to compensate for our height, even if it has to do with an above average face, a very fit or muscular body, a good job or something else, things that a tall man doesn't need to have to be attractive to many women. If you are short though, unfortunately, makes everything in life and especially dating much much harder. But our short fellow who are here already know that and that's why they are considering LL which of course can improve their lives a lot, like it has done with me.
Being tall on the other hand and generally average (not bad of course) in every other aspect is enough for the majority of women imo and then it comes the character which defines if a woman will stay with you or not.
But if you are a little beyond average height, you should try much more and thats why I want to change (again) my height. Because I don't want to still try more due to something I can't change  even though I tried a lot to be above average to things I could change (body, style etc).
This is unfair but you can only change it with LL. So be it.

@ Tibike: getting attracted to tall men for a woman isn't always a sign of a superficial character or way of thinking.
Ridiculous height limits like 6ft and more, especially for short or average girls, are indeed superficial but I can understand that a young good looking woman will be more attracted to an average 6 ft man than an average 5.9 man and not get attracted to a 5.5 man, even he is above average in face or style let's say.
I see that my body, even with LL which makes my proportions worse compared to a natural 5.9 man, look way better than what it did with my previous height, so it is completely normal for women to prefer me now than before because I indeed look better.

So, if a girl is attracted to tall(er) men isn't most of the times shallow, at least for that, like most of the men aren't shallow for getting attracted to slim women more compared to obese or with women for instance.

LL, if it is done with a good doctor and without surpassing our body limits by too much lemgthening, really gives us the opportunity to get and feel better and more attractive.
So, it's up to anyone if he accepts himself and want to live a life with much obstacles that has to do with height or risk and change himself with LL surgery.
Everything is up to us.

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BB@ You are confusing preference with superficiality. There is a difference between a woman who would PREFER to date a man who is tall/rich/handsome etc, than a woman who simply WON'T DATE a man who doesn't ..

 It's just like me Prefering big tits and ass but I would never not date a girl who doesnt have great tits or ass if she has other things going for her.
  Btw, there is a big difference between a man being 5'5 and being rejected for height and a man who is 5'9+ being rejected for height. It's like me rejecting a woman who is not perefectly slim or rejecting a woman who is fat. Two very different scenarios that show alot about one's character and superficiality.

 Rejecting someone for not having a plus is not like rejecting someone for having a minus

 And about height being more important than face, it's simply not true. My whole life I have seen than 170cm guys and up with a good face are doing expetionally well with women. Don't compare a 5'8 guy with an average face to a 5'5 guy with an average face.. Those are completely two different scenarios. A good looking 5'8 guy will do a hell of a lot better than a 6' guy with a so so to an average face. I have had enough platonic relationships with women to know that once a certain threshold is passed (usually around the 175cm) height means nothing

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Reading some posts here... seriously that was the reason i never registered on the old forum.

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TIBIKE, fair enough. It does depend most of all on the individual and culture I guess.

I agree, bodybuilder, and thanks. I only mean being invisible in a crowd or at the bar when I'm trying to get a drink, lol. But sometimes in a social situation I have to put myself across that bit extra because I'm overlooked more easily. But normally that's OK.

It's better to use the time being short to develop yourself in a lot of other areas. On the other hand I'm just tired of doing that too.

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Don't know jack1066, I live in northern Italy and that's how people are here.