Back when The National Organization of Short Statured Adults (NOSSA) was real

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QuoteThe National Organization of Short Statured Adults (NOSSA) was an American non-profit advocacy group for adults of short stature. The organization clearly defined "short stature" to be men 170 cm (5'7") or below and women 157.5 cm (5'2") or below in height.[1] The group advocated on behalf of short people and hoped to foster greater acceptance of short people within society. NOSSA was opposed to the prejudice known as heightism. The group defined heightism as, "a prejudiced attitude about human height that often results in discrimination. It is based on the belief that short stature is an inferior trait and therefore undesirable."[2] The organization ran a series of public education programs, sponsored height-related research, acted as a media "watch-dog" group, provided legal assistance for those affected by heightism, hosted online discussion groups, and invited members to gather once a year for an annual convention. NOSSA ended in early 2013 due to lack of support.

QuoteNOSSA announced its opposition to the use of human growth hormone for short, but otherwise healthy, children. The organization believes being short isn't a problem; the real difficulties lies in the social bias against short people. In part to define the organization's position on the matter, NOSSA representative and author Ellen Frankel LCSW stated, "What we need is education for those who discriminate against short people, not the genetic engineering of the victims of that prejudice."[6] Frankel states, "The growth hormone deficient child suffers from an underlying medical problem that affects the body's health in different ways. The non-growth-hormone-deficient child has no underlying medical problem. They simply present as a variation on the norm with regard to height. The decision to medically intervene on the healthy child's stature is socially based due to height discrimination and prejudice."[7]

QuoteNOSSA claims to receive hundreds of e-mails each year from people requesting more information on cosmetic leg lengthening. The group actively discourages short statured people from undergoing leg lengthening solely for cosmetic reasons. The group encourages anyone who is seriously considering the surgery to research the procedure and surgeon thoroughly before undergoing the procedure. NOSSA encourages people to accept and love themselves as they are.

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Quote from: ghkid2019 on August 29, 2020, 03:31:00 PMWe can't actively fight "heightism" because what alot of people connect heightism with is female preferences.. how u gonna convince a woman to like something they biologically unattracted to.. how you gonna convince a man to be empathetic and go for a fat girl or ugly af girl out of pity.. you can't

It bullshiet that people call dating preferences heightism. U like whatchu want. Stop being a babee abt people having their own choices lul

Not to mention alot of real LL people have height neurosis from basically lack of confidence which isn't fundamentally caused by heightism. They legit can just be unhappy about themselves so solving heightism doesn't change the fact that they look at the mirror and hate it

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on August 29, 2020, 08:21:37 PMThe concept of discrimination, no matter if it's about race or body traits (height, weight, build, looks, etc.) has a lot more meaning than just "dating preferences". It could be about promotion opportunities, being able to become a well-respected member of a community, to be taken seriously, to enter certain fields and professions that have been previously barred. You can experience discrimination in pretty much every aspect of dealing with other humans beings.

Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on August 29, 2020, 08:21:37 PMEven if it's about things like dating and sxxal attraction, the issue is a lot more complex than just people having preferences for biological reasons. Anthropologists and social scientists smarter than us are still in disagreement on which behaviours are rooted in biology and which in environment. The socialization of humans begins from the moment they're born and permeates your entire lifetime. Much of what we call "female preferences" in dating might have roots in sociocultural stereotypes and traits associated with shorter guys. This is an observation commonly made among discussions around height on the internet too, with some people saying the US is a worse place for short guys than Europe because American women are more height-obsessed, or that shorter guys are still often seen as masculine and attractive in places like Spain or South America, for example.

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 08:47:13 AMI don't know why you act like being limited in your career because of your height is any different than not being seen as a man or becoming more attractive to the opposite sxx.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 08:47:13 AMSure that short men can become successful and have great careers, just like short men can date beautiful and gorgeous models or have a high status but those are outliers not the mean.

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 10:38:14 AMYOU don't feel like it limits your career. You're speaking from a personal perspective. Statistically speaking, you earn $800 more every inch taller you are. Anyone with common sense would tell you that height of course matter even in the workplace because what is the workplace? It's just a place where humans socialize to work for/towards something. Yes there are some fields where knowledge and expertise are more important but two people of the same skill but different heights can earn more depending on who is taller. Wanting to be taller for your career is a more legitimate concern because a job is supposed to be based on your merit whereas nobody owes you to be attracted to you.

What is the point of your post. It seems like you agree with me. Yes there are outliers where short men can succeed despite being short doesn't change the fact that being short makes it harder for you. That's exactly my point.

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 11:03:04 AMYou have height neurosis because being short is considered bad in our society. You wouldn't be in this forum wanting to get LL if you didn't. They part of the same problem.

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 14, 2020, 10:49:57 AMI swear you must be a moron. You made a redundant statement just to for the sake of saying something. Of course I'm not talking about it literally. Whatever your reasons for getting LL you're still getting LL. You can't make hypothetical arguments and then tell me I'm creating an argument when your argument is being retorted. Learn reading comprehension.

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Quote from: O_99 on September 14, 2020, 01:10:22 PMDo you think 169cm Lionel Messi would have the same struggles or any struggles dating super(models) as the normal short guy?
Or 170cm Vladimir Putin? Or billionaire Mark Zuckerberg? Rich short oil Arabs? Hell, even short rich lawers date gorgeous models where I live. There's a point where height doesn't mean sh*t anymore.

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 14, 2020, 02:23:10 PMI don’t think you can say that it ALWAYS matters by showing one example of a random girl saying Taylor Lautner is too short for her. I could just as easily show you a picture of a couple where the woman is taller than the man, would that prove that height doesn’t matter? If I was Taylor Lautner I wouldn’t care about the opinion of a random nobody because I would my pick of options.

If you’re using being a sxx symbol as a metric for why height always matters then I can show you Bob Dylan who was 5’7, Prince who was 5’2 or Tom Cruise who is 5’7. This is a bit too black and white. I would say that majority of women care about height but that’s not to say that everyone of them strongly cares about height and the only reason they’re with you is because of your wealth or fame.