Back when The National Organization of Short Statured Adults (NOSSA) was real

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Just like the dwarfism community opposes CLL and wants to force little people to continue suffering and simply "accept" their height despite ways to change it.

And that HGH mentality... Absolutely ridiculous

Gate keeping beneficial surgeries and medicine. Disgusting

Though As for their message of heightism.. I approve this 👍

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I think we all should collect some money and give it to Bruce Wayne, he really needs the surgery more than anyone including me.

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Just like the dwarfism community opposes CLL and wants to force little people to continue suffering and simply "accept" their height despite ways to change it.

And that HGH mentality... Absolutely ridiculous

Gate keeping beneficial surgeries and medicine. Disgusting

Though As for their message of heightism.. I approve this 👍

They say what matters is inner beauty, but they judge people according to physique

Just like the dwarfism community opposes CLL and wants to force little people to continue suffering and simply "accept" their height despite ways to change it.

It wouldn’t make sense if they were encouraging people to do CLL, would it? As if BLM supporters were saying, “Skin color shouldn’t matter! But hey, if you’ve got the money, start looking into skin-bleaching products.”

Just like the dwarfism community opposes CLL and wants to force little people to continue suffering and simply "accept" their height despite ways to change it.

And that HGH mentality... Absolutely ridiculous

Gate keeping beneficial surgeries and medicine. Disgusting

Though As for their message of heightism.. I approve this 👍

Is it ridiculous, really? Is it not just logically consistent? Assumin that heightism exists and you think LL is a solution, what would be the end game? Everyone under 5'7'' just getting LL, which would raise the average height and just make those at 5'7'' shorter compared to the average (and many of those getting LL would still be short, only with reduced mobility), effectively just shifting the problem around?

Quote from: a on August 29, 2020, 08:35:46 AM

It wouldn’t make sense if they were encouraging people to do CLL, would it? As if BLM supporters were saying, “Skin color shouldn’t matter! But hey, if you’ve got the money, start looking into skin-bleaching products.”

Oh that's not the case. They actively reject dwarves and spout hate on those who do CLL. You can be impartial and support a person thru their journey. Just like every parent of an CLL patient will not approve of the surgery, but will fully support and love the patient if they do decide to do it

Is it ridiculous, really? Is it not just logically consistent? Assumin that heightism exists and you think LL is a solution, what would be the end game? Everyone under 5'7'' just getting LL, which would raise the average height and just make those at 5'7'' shorter compared to the average (and many of those getting LL would still be short, only with reduced mobility), effectively just shifting the problem around?

Give him brain surgery too, so he'll irrevocably forget he "slept 0-2 hours" during his puberty. I can't read that sh*t anymore.

HGH given to kids is literally the best possible thing you can do. It's a low effort way to solve your kids stature problems without doing anything crazy like LL

Yeah but we're talking individuals. If someone, right now, on August 29 2020, hates their height, and wants to do LL, and is dealing with the anecdotal consequences of their short stature, there's really no point in telling em to deal with it and say "oh love yaself even tho you've tried therapy and meds and everything"

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Lol I'm tired of reading that shiet too. It's more of a meme at this point, I was too angry at it but now I just observe

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Is it ridiculous, really? Is it not just logically consistent? Assumin that heightism exists and you think LL is a solution, what would be the end game? Everyone under 5'7'' just getting LL, which would raise the average height and just make those at 5'7'' shorter compared to the average (and many of those getting LL would still be short, only with reduced mobility), effectively just shifting the problem around?

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We can't actively fight "heightism" because what alot of people connect heightism with is female preferences.. how u gonna convince a woman to like something they biologically unattracted to.. how you gonna convince a man to be empathetic and go for a fat girl or ugly af girl out of pity.. you can't

It bullshiet that people call dating preferences heightism. U like whatchu want. Stop being a babee abt people having their own choices lul

Not to mention alot of real LL people have height neurosis from basically lack of confidence which isn't fundamentally caused by heightism. They legit can just be unhappy about themselves so solving heightism doesn't change the fact that they look at the mirror and hate it

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We can't actively fight "heightism" because what alot of people connect heightism with is female preferences.. how u gonna convince a woman to like something they biologically unattracted to.. how you gonna convince a man to be empathetic and go for a fat girl or ugly af girl out of pity.. you can't

It bullshiet that people call dating preferences heightism. U like whatchu want. Stop being a babee abt people having their own choices lul

Not to mention alot of real LL people have height neurosis from basically lack of confidence which isn't fundamentally caused by heightism. They legit can just be unhappy about themselves so solving heightism doesn't change the fact that they look at the mirror and hate it

For the first time, you got something right, kid.

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'ppreciate it Batman.

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We can't actively fight "heightism" because what alot of people connect heightism with is female preferences.. how u gonna convince a woman to like something they biologically unattracted to.. how you gonna convince a man to be empathetic and go for a fat girl or ugly af girl out of pity.. you can't

It bullshiet that people call dating preferences heightism. U like whatchu want. Stop being a babee abt people having their own choices lul

Not to mention alot of real LL people have height neurosis from basically lack of confidence which isn't fundamentally caused by heightism. They legit can just be unhappy about themselves so solving heightism doesn't change the fact that they look at the mirror and hate it

The concept of discrimination, no matter if it's about race or body traits (height, weight, build, looks, etc.) has a lot more meaning than just "dating preferences". It could be about promotion opportunities, being able to become a well-respected member of a community, to be taken seriously, to enter certain fields and professions that have been previously barred. You can experience discrimination in pretty much every aspect of dealing with other humans beings.

Even if it's about things like dating and sexal attraction, the issue is a lot more complex than just people having preferences for biological reasons. Anthropologists and social scientists smarter than us are still in disagreement on which behaviours are rooted in biology and which in environment. The socialization of humans begins from the moment they're born and permeates your entire lifetime. Much of what we call "female preferences" in dating might have roots in sociocultural stereotypes and traits associated with shorter guys. This is an observation commonly made among discussions around height on the internet too, with some people saying the US is a worse place for short guys than Europe because American women are more height-obsessed, or that shorter guys are still often seen as masculine and attractive in places like Spain or South America, for example.

So whether you support the idea of an organization for short statured adults or not (I personally wouldn't, because I believe it would just isolate shorter guys from the idea of "normal men" further), their goal of fighting against heightism is certainly a valid one. The methods can be questioned though.

The concept of discrimination, no matter if it's about race or body traits (height, weight, build, looks, etc.) has a lot more meaning than just "dating preferences". It could be about promotion opportunities, being able to become a well-respected member of a community, to be taken seriously, to enter certain fields and professions that have been previously barred. You can experience discrimination in pretty much every aspect of dealing with other humans beings.

The majority of us don't have these problems.

Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on August 29, 2020, 08:21:37 PM

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I wonder how many people who actually have done LL did it cuz "muh boss no gimme raise or make mee the manager oh noes", in other words, use this crippling surgery   to get a job or climb the corporate ladder

Based on all the diaries I've read, first of all you need to be at least a little successful to pay for such a huge surgery- so at that point you basically have beat the odds eh? "Short man saves tens of thousands of dollars". Short people clearly can fuccking earn and save money lol, don't try to act like we anywhere near as oppressed as being a discriminated minority group is in terms of employment

Vast majority of people who do this shiet legit either want:
-Improved opposite sxx relations and attractiveness
- fix their own negative self body image, remove neurosis..
-get public to view them as a "man" instead of having a label of a  "short man"

The ones who really feel limited in their career  by their fukking height honestly don't have the drive and won't be the ones getting enough money to afford this leg breaking surgery anyways.

No one who actually did this surgery is like "oh muh height make me manager no likey me 😥, now imma break my leggs so I can b promoted, cuz u must be 5'9 to advance the ladders!!1!!1!1"

Fighting heightism is valid, but you better be geared towards the route of fighting    like height requirements in china, and legitimate heightism versus trying to change what people think of short people in a romantic or opinionated field like who the employer or boss deems as hot or ugly. Cuz there's no point lol, this is called being human. The attractive people will be better treated than the ugly people. Don't act like you don't do the same, there's 99% chance you also treat good looking people better than ugly

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Biology precedes culture, which precedes ideology. Biology > Culture > Ideology. Making an analogy to computer system, it'll be like Hardware > Operating system > Software. Fighting heightism is like trying to run a 64 bit software on a 32 bit CPU (Hardware) which is basically an exercise in futility. It's a lost cause gentlemen, just raise awareness for a solution to grow taller instead.

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I wonder how many people who actually have done LL did it cuz "muh boss no gimme raise or make mee the manager oh noes", in other words, use this crippling surgery   to get a job or climb the corporate ladder

Based on all the diaries I've read, first of all you need to be at least a little successful to pay for such a huge surgery- so at that point you basically have beat the odds eh? "Short man saves tens of thousands of dollars". Short people clearly can fuccking earn and save money lol, don't try to act like we anywhere near as oppressed as being a discriminated minority group is in terms of employment

Vast majority of people who do this shiet legit either want:
-Improved opposite sxx relations and attractiveness
- fix their own negative self body image, remove neurosis..
-get public to view them as a "man" instead of having a label of a  "short man"

The ones who really feel limited in their career  by their fukking height honestly don't have the drive and won't be the ones getting enough money to afford this leg breaking surgery anyways.

No one who actually did this surgery is like "oh muh height make me manager no likey me 😥, now imma break my leggs so I can b promoted, cuz u must be 5'9 to advance the ladders!!1!!1!1"

Fighting heightism is valid, but you better be geared towards the route of fighting    like height requirements in china, and legitimate heightism versus trying to change what people think of short people in a romantic or opinionated field like who the employer or boss deems as hot or ugly. Cuz there's no point lol, this is called being human. The attractive people will be better treated than the ugly people. Don't act like you don't do the same, there's 99% chance you also treat good looking people better than ugly


If you can understand this:


Vast majority of people who do this shiet legit either want:
-Improved opposite sxx relations and attractiveness
- fix their own negative self body image, remove neurosis..
-get public to view them as a "man" instead of having a label of a  "short man"


then you can understand that wanting to get a raise and equal job opportunities are part of the very thing you're talking about. I don't know why you act like being limited in your career because of your height is any different than not being seen as a man or becoming more attractive to the opposite sex. If you're less attractive, treated with less respect by people in general then you bet that this is going to affect your self image and career because guess what, your bosses and people who make decisions to promote you are humans too. Sure that short men can become successful and have great careers, just like short men can date beautiful and gorgeous models or have a high status but those are outliers not the mean.
You are delusional if you think you're somehow detached from worldly problems of being short and that your reason for wanting LL is somehow more legitimate. "I'm not like you short losers who want LL because of discrimination! I want LL because uhhh muh self image!"
We don't live in a vacuum. There is a reason why short people have a negative self image and those beliefs aren't born out of thin air. It's because you understand on some fundamental level that being short is considered bad, negative in our modern society.

I don't know why you act like being limited in your career because of your height is any different than not being seen as a man or becoming more attractive to the opposite sxx.

The thing is we don't feel like being limited in our career.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 08:47:13 AM