Back when The National Organization of Short Statured Adults (NOSSA) was real

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Posted on Aug 29, 2020, 3:31 pm

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We can't actively fight "heightism" because what alot of people connect heightism with is female preferences.. how u gonna convince a woman to like something they biologically unattracted to.. how you gonna convince a man to be empathetic and go for a fat girl or ugly af girl out of pity.. you can't

It bullshiet that people call dating preferences heightism. U like whatchu want. Stop being a babee abt people having their own choices lul

Not to mention alot of real LL people have height neurosis from basically lack of confidence which isn't fundamentally caused by heightism. They legit can just be unhappy about themselves so solving heightism doesn't change the fact that they look at the mirror and hate it

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Posted on Aug 29, 2020, 5:03 pm

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Quote from: ghkid2019 on August 29, 2020, 03:31:00 PMWe can't actively fight "heightism" because what alot of people connect heightism with is female preferences.. how u gonna convince a woman to like something they biologically unattracted to.. how you gonna convince a man to be empathetic and go for a fat girl or ugly af girl out of pity.. you can't

It bullshiet that people call dating preferences heightism. U like whatchu want. Stop being a babee abt people having their own choices lul

Not to mention alot of real LL people have height neurosis from basically lack of confidence which isn't fundamentally caused by heightism. They legit can just be unhappy about themselves so solving heightism doesn't change the fact that they look at the mirror and hate it

For the first time, you got something right, kid.

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Posted on Aug 29, 2020, 5:27 pm

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'ppreciate it Batman.

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Posted on Aug 29, 2020, 8:21 pm

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Quote from: ghkid2019 on August 29, 2020, 03:31:00 PMWe can't actively fight "heightism" because what alot of people connect heightism with is female preferences.. how u gonna convince a woman to like something they biologically unattracted to.. how you gonna convince a man to be empathetic and go for a fat girl or ugly af girl out of pity.. you can't

It bullshiet that people call dating preferences heightism. U like whatchu want. Stop being a babee abt people having their own choices lul

Not to mention alot of real LL people have height neurosis from basically lack of confidence which isn't fundamentally caused by heightism. They legit can just be unhappy about themselves so solving heightism doesn't change the fact that they look at the mirror and hate it

The concept of discrimination, no matter if it's about race or body traits (height, weight, build, looks, etc.) has a lot more meaning than just "dating preferences". It could be about promotion opportunities, being able to become a well-respected member of a community, to be taken seriously, to enter certain fields and professions that have been previously barred. You can experience discrimination in pretty much every aspect of dealing with other humans beings.

Even if it's about things like dating and sexal attraction, the issue is a lot more complex than just people having preferences for biological reasons. Anthropologists and social scientists smarter than us are still in disagreement on which behaviours are rooted in biology and which in environment. The socialization of humans begins from the moment they're born and permeates your entire lifetime. Much of what we call "female preferences" in dating might have roots in sociocultural stereotypes and traits associated with shorter guys. This is an observation commonly made among discussions around height on the internet too, with some people saying the US is a worse place for short guys than Europe because American women are more height-obsessed, or that shorter guys are still often seen as masculine and attractive in places like Spain or South America, for example.

So whether you support the idea of an organization for short statured adults or not (I personally wouldn't, because I believe it would just isolate shorter guys from the idea of "normal men" further), their goal of fighting against heightism is certainly a valid one. The methods can be questioned though.

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Quote from: ghkid2019 on August 29, 2020, 03:31:00 PMWe can't actively fight "heightism" because what alot of people connect heightism with is female preferences.. how u gonna convince a woman to like something they biologically unattracted to.. how you gonna convince a man to be empathetic and go for a fat girl or ugly af girl out of pity.. you can't

It bullshiet that people call dating preferences heightism. U like whatchu want. Stop being a babee abt people having their own choices lul

Not to mention alot of real LL people have height neurosis from basically lack of confidence which isn't fundamentally caused by heightism. They legit can just be unhappy about themselves so solving heightism doesn't change the fact that they look at the mirror and hate it

The concept of discrimination, no matter if it's about race or body traits (height, weight, build, looks, etc.) has a lot more meaning than just "dating preferences". It could be about promotion opportunities, being able to become a well-respected member of a community, to be taken seriously, to enter certain fields and professions that have been previously barred. You can experience discrimination in pretty much every aspect of dealing with other humans beings.

Even if it's about things like dating and sexal attraction, the issue is a lot more complex than just people having preferences for biological reasons. Anthropologists and social scientists smarter than us are still in disagreement on which behaviours are rooted in biology and which in environment. The socialization of humans begins from the moment they're born and permeates your entire lifetime. Much of what we call "female preferences" in dating might have roots in sociocultural stereotypes and traits associated with shorter guys. This is an observation commonly made among discussions around height on the internet too, with some people saying the US is a worse place for short guys than Europe because American women are more height-obsessed, or that shorter guys are still often seen as masculine and attractive in places like Spain or South America, for example.

So whether you support the idea of an organization for short statured adults or not (I personally wouldn't, because I believe it would just isolate shorter guys from the idea of "normal men" further), their goal of fighting against heightism is certainly a valid one. The methods can be questioned though.

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Posted on Aug 29, 2020, 10:52 pm

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on August 29, 2020, 08:21:37 PMThe concept of discrimination, no matter if it's about race or body traits (height, weight, build, looks, etc.) has a lot more meaning than just "dating preferences". It could be about promotion opportunities, being able to become a well-respected member of a community, to be taken seriously, to enter certain fields and professions that have been previously barred. You can experience discrimination in pretty much every aspect of dealing with other humans beings.

The majority of us don't have these problems.

Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on August 29, 2020, 08:21:37 PMEven if it's about things like dating and sxxal attraction, the issue is a lot more complex than just people having preferences for biological reasons. Anthropologists and social scientists smarter than us are still in disagreement on which behaviours are rooted in biology and which in environment. The socialization of humans begins from the moment they're born and permeates your entire lifetime. Much of what we call "female preferences" in dating might have roots in sociocultural stereotypes and traits associated with shorter guys. This is an observation commonly made among discussions around height on the internet too, with some people saying the US is a worse place for short guys than Europe because American women are more height-obsessed, or that shorter guys are still often seen as masculine and attractive in places like Spain or South America, for example.

The media might have influenced preferences a little bit. But I believe it's mostly biological reasons.

In 60s/70s, black guys weren't really potrayed well, but there were always biological attractions for them. I know this because I watch older films and I watched guys like Jim Brown and Sidney Poitier, also the boxer Ken Norton. And more modern day like Denzel Washington, Idris Elba.

Still, one thing they have all in common, is tall haha

The reason is actually very simple. The raw strength conveyed by tall stature.

Men are supposed to be the protector of their family.

However, being short as a male does in fact mean that you are inherently less dominant, less capable of protecting yourself and your family due to your shorter reach and lighter weight, provided that everything else is equal.

And this will not change in our lifetime, probably not in a million year.

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on August 29, 2020, 08:21:37 PMThe concept of discrimination, no matter if it's about race or body traits (height, weight, build, looks, etc.) has a lot more meaning than just "dating preferences". It could be about promotion opportunities, being able to become a well-respected member of a community, to be taken seriously, to enter certain fields and professions that have been previously barred. You can experience discrimination in pretty much every aspect of dealing with other humans beings.

The majority of us don't have these problems.

Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on August 29, 2020, 08:21:37 PMEven if it's about things like dating and sxxal attraction, the issue is a lot more complex than just people having preferences for biological reasons. Anthropologists and social scientists smarter than us are still in disagreement on which behaviours are rooted in biology and which in environment. The socialization of humans begins from the moment they're born and permeates your entire lifetime. Much of what we call "female preferences" in dating might have roots in sociocultural stereotypes and traits associated with shorter guys. This is an observation commonly made among discussions around height on the internet too, with some people saying the US is a worse place for short guys than Europe because American women are more height-obsessed, or that shorter guys are still often seen as masculine and attractive in places like Spain or South America, for example.

The media might have influenced preferences a little bit. But I believe it's mostly biological reasons.

In 60s/70s, black guys weren't really potrayed well, but there were always biological attractions for them. I know this because I watch older films and I watched guys like Jim Brown and Sidney Poitier, also the boxer Ken Norton. And more modern day like Denzel Washington, Idris Elba.

Still, one thing they have all in common, is tall haha

The reason is actually very simple. The raw strength conveyed by tall stature.

Men are supposed to be the protector of their family.

However, being short as a male does in fact mean that you are inherently less dominant, less capable of protecting yourself and your family due to your shorter reach and lighter weight, provided that everything else is equal.

And this will not change in our lifetime, probably not in a million year.

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Posted on Aug 30, 2020, 1:09 am

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I wonder how many people who actually have done LL did it cuz "muh boss no gimme raise or make mee the manager oh noes", in other words, use this crippling surgery to get a job or climb the corporate ladder

Based on all the diaries I've read, first of all you need to be at least a little successful to pay for such a huge surgery- so at that point you basically have beat the odds eh? "Short man saves tens of thousands of dollars". Short people clearly can fuccking earn and save money lol, don't try to act like we anywhere near as oppressed as being a discriminated minority group is in terms of employment

Vast majority of people who do this shiet legit either want:
-Improved opposite sxx relations and attractiveness
- fix their own negative self body image, remove neurosis..
-get public to view them as a "man" instead of having a label of a "short man"

The ones who really feel limited in their career by their fukking height honestly don't have the drive and won't be the ones getting enough money to afford this leg breaking surgery anyways.

No one who actually did this surgery is like "oh muh height make me manager no likey me 😥, now imma break my leggs so I can b promoted, cuz u must be 5'9 to advance the ladders!!1!!1!1"

Fighting heightism is valid, but you better be geared towards the route of fighting like height requirements in china, and legitimate heightism versus trying to change what people think of short people in a romantic or opinionated field like who the employer or boss deems as hot or ugly. Cuz there's no point lol, this is called being human. The attractive people will be better treated than the ugly people. Don't act like you don't do the same, there's 99% chance you also treat good looking people better than ugly

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I wonder how many people who actually have done LL did it cuz "muh boss no gimme raise or make mee the manager oh noes", in other words, use this crippling surgery to get a job or climb the corporate ladder

Based on all the diaries I've read, first of all you need to be at least a little successful to pay for such a huge surgery- so at that point you basically have beat the odds eh? "Short man saves tens of thousands of dollars". Short people clearly can fuccking earn and save money lol, don't try to act like we anywhere near as oppressed as being a discriminated minority group is in terms of employment

Vast majority of people who do this shiet legit either want:
-Improved opposite sxx relations and attractiveness
- fix their own negative self body image, remove neurosis..
-get public to view them as a "man" instead of having a label of a "short man"

The ones who really feel limited in their career by their fukking height honestly don't have the drive and won't be the ones getting enough money to afford this leg breaking surgery anyways.

No one who actually did this surgery is like "oh muh height make me manager no likey me 😥, now imma break my leggs so I can b promoted, cuz u must be 5'9 to advance the ladders!!1!!1!1"

Fighting heightism is valid, but you better be geared towards the route of fighting like height requirements in china, and legitimate heightism versus trying to change what people think of short people in a romantic or opinionated field like who the employer or boss deems as hot or ugly. Cuz there's no point lol, this is called being human. The attractive people will be better treated than the ugly people. Don't act like you don't do the same, there's 99% chance you also treat good looking people better than ugly

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Posted on Aug 30, 2020, 4:21 pm

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Biology precedes culture, which precedes ideology. Biology > Culture > Ideology. Making an analogy to computer system, it'll be like Hardware > Operating system > Software. Fighting heightism is like trying to run a 64 bit software on a 32 bit CPU (Hardware) which is basically an exercise in futility. It's a lost cause gentlemen, just raise awareness for a solution to grow taller instead.

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Posted on Sep 12, 2020, 8:47 am

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Quote from: ghkid2019 on August 30, 2020, 01:09:35 AMI wonder how many people who actually have done LL did it cuz "muh boss no gimme raise or make mee the manager oh noes", in other words, use this crippling surgery to get a job or climb the corporate ladder

Based on all the diaries I've read, first of all you need to be at least a little successful to pay for such a huge surgery- so at that point you basically have beat the odds eh? "Short man saves tens of thousands of dollars". Short people clearly can fuccking earn and save money lol, don't try to act like we anywhere near as oppressed as being a discriminated minority group is in terms of employment

Vast majority of people who do this shiet legit either want:
-Improved opposite sxx relations and attractiveness
- fix their own negative self body image, remove neurosis..
-get public to view them as a "man" instead of having a label of a "short man"

The ones who really feel limited in their career by their fukking height honestly don't have the drive and won't be the ones getting enough money to afford this leg breaking surgery anyways.

No one who actually did this surgery is like "oh muh height make me manager no likey me 😥, now imma break my leggs so I can b promoted, cuz u must be 5'9 to advance the ladders!!1!!1!1"

Fighting heightism is valid, but you better be geared towards the route of fighting like height requirements in china, and legitimate heightism versus trying to change what people think of short people in a romantic or opinionated field like who the employer or boss deems as hot or ugly. Cuz there's no point lol, this is called being human. The attractive people will be better treated than the ugly people. Don't act like you don't do the same, there's 99% chance you also treat good looking people better than ugly

If you can understand this:

Vast majority of people who do this shiet legit either want:
-Improved opposite sxx relations and attractiveness
- fix their own negative self body image, remove neurosis..
-get public to view them as a "man" instead of having a label of a "short man"

then you can understand that wanting to get a raise and equal job opportunities are part of the very thing you're talking about. I don't know why you act like being limited in your career because of your height is any different than not being seen as a man or becoming more attractive to the opposite sex. If you're less attractive, treated with less respect by people in general then you bet that this is going to affect your self image and career because guess what, your bosses and people who make decisions to promote you are humans too. Sure that short men can become successful and have great careers, just like short men can date beautiful and gorgeous models or have a high status but those are outliers not the mean.
You are delusional if you think you're somehow detached from worldly problems of being short and that your reason for wanting LL is somehow more legitimate. "I'm not like you short losers who want LL because of discrimination! I want LL because uhhh muh self image!"
We don't live in a vacuum. There is a reason why short people have a negative self image and those beliefs aren't born out of thin air. It's because you understand on some fundamental level that being short is considered bad, negative in our modern society.

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Quote from: ghkid2019 on August 30, 2020, 01:09:35 AMI wonder how many people who actually have done LL did it cuz "muh boss no gimme raise or make mee the manager oh noes", in other words, use this crippling surgery to get a job or climb the corporate ladder

Based on all the diaries I've read, first of all you need to be at least a little successful to pay for such a huge surgery- so at that point you basically have beat the odds eh? "Short man saves tens of thousands of dollars". Short people clearly can fuccking earn and save money lol, don't try to act like we anywhere near as oppressed as being a discriminated minority group is in terms of employment

Vast majority of people who do this shiet legit either want:
-Improved opposite sxx relations and attractiveness
- fix their own negative self body image, remove neurosis..
-get public to view them as a "man" instead of having a label of a "short man"

The ones who really feel limited in their career by their fukking height honestly don't have the drive and won't be the ones getting enough money to afford this leg breaking surgery anyways.

No one who actually did this surgery is like "oh muh height make me manager no likey me 😥, now imma break my leggs so I can b promoted, cuz u must be 5'9 to advance the ladders!!1!!1!1"

Fighting heightism is valid, but you better be geared towards the route of fighting like height requirements in china, and legitimate heightism versus trying to change what people think of short people in a romantic or opinionated field like who the employer or boss deems as hot or ugly. Cuz there's no point lol, this is called being human. The attractive people will be better treated than the ugly people. Don't act like you don't do the same, there's 99% chance you also treat good looking people better than ugly

If you can understand this:

Vast majority of people who do this shiet legit either want:
-Improved opposite sxx relations and attractiveness
- fix their own negative self body image, remove neurosis..
-get public to view them as a "man" instead of having a label of a "short man"

then you can understand that wanting to get a raise and equal job opportunities are part of the very thing you're talking about. I don't know why you act like being limited in your career because of your height is any different than not being seen as a man or becoming more attractive to the opposite sex. If you're less attractive, treated with less respect by people in general then you bet that this is going to affect your self image and career because guess what, your bosses and people who make decisions to promote you are humans too. Sure that short men can become successful and have great careers, just like short men can date beautiful and gorgeous models or have a high status but those are outliers not the mean.
You are delusional if you think you're somehow detached from worldly problems of being short and that your reason for wanting LL is somehow more legitimate. "I'm not like you short losers who want LL because of discrimination! I want LL because uhhh muh self image!"
We don't live in a vacuum. There is a reason why short people have a negative self image and those beliefs aren't born out of thin air. It's because you understand on some fundamental level that being short is considered bad, negative in our modern society.

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Posted on Sep 12, 2020, 9:19 am

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 08:47:13 AMI don't know why you act like being limited in your career because of your height is any different than not being seen as a man or becoming more attractive to the opposite sxx.

The thing is we don't feel like being limited in our career.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 08:47:13 AMSure that short men can become successful and have great careers, just like short men can date beautiful and gorgeous models or have a high status but those are outliers not the mean.

Nothing to do with being outliers.

Short men can have a great career because height is irrelevant in certain careers in the first place.

Short men can date beautiful and gorgeous models but never because these models find the short men physically attractive but rather just want to take advantage of these short men in some way.

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