You're fking wierd trying to make everything some kind of mathematical algorithm and talking about cut offs and 'hard' limits and 'this is totally the way attraction works bro'.
Reality is theres 4 billion women on the planet. All will care about some combo of looks and height but the relative importance of each of these will be dependent on the girl in question. One girl might choose the 175cm guy with a good face while another will just want a 185cm guy and not care as much about the face. You've seen both types of men dating when you go out on the street, I'm sure of it.
The real thing is - don't be excessively short OR excessively ugly. If you're either of those, you're gonna have a hard time, and if you're both, rope. Having a good face is a plus point, being tall is a plus point. There's really no need to try and offset one against the other or boil it down to some fking formula about 'thresholds' which don't exist. With the modern women being so hypergamous and entitled due to the 500 matches a day she gets on tinder, the reality is you're going to need both to have a decent sex life.
Changing your self image after becoming taller and maximizing your life:
Quote from: mirneeelnumber1ooye on April 04, 2024, 12:04:43 AMWhy is this guy always writing these gay ass long essays on changing muh self image.
You were a turbomanlet now youre average height, yes good for you. 177 isnt even a big deal, its not like you went from 5ft to 6ft.
And can you stop babbling about how some expired late 20s sloots now give you the light of day? Who cares for these old bags anyway ?!
Talk to us when youre getting prime 19 yo and freshman college girls like what 190 cm guys get just by existing on the campus
19 yo college sluts are nowhere as hot or hard to get as 25-30 yo good looking women.
Also no real man care about 19 yo sluts unless for maybe one night.
Quote from: jbfjbj4 on April 04, 2024, 12:41:24 PMYou're fking wierd trying to make everything some kind of mathematical algorithm and talking about cut offs and 'hard' limits and 'this is totally the way attraction works bro'.
Reality is theres 4 billion women on the planet. All will care about some combo of looks and height but the relative importance of each of these will be dependent on the girl in question. One girl might choose the 175cm guy with a good face while another will just want a 185cm guy and not care as much about the face. You've seen both types of men dating when you go out on the street, I'm sure of it.
The real thing is - don't be excessively short OR excessively ugly. If you're either of those, you're gonna have a hard time, and if you're both, rope. Having a good face is a plus point, being tall is a plus point. There's really no need to try and offset one against the other or boil it down to some fking formula about 'thresholds' which don't exist. With the modern women being so hypergamous and entitled due to the 500 matches a day she gets on tinder, the reality is you're going to need both to have a decent sex life.
You can think I am weird all day long, but this is my personal experience after being 165cm tall as an adult for almost two decades, and then all off sudden being 177cm tall for less than a year going out to bars and clubs. The difference is night and day. I cannot deny that. And I was answering a comment on my thoughts on dating and back pill. So chill the heck out. If you don't like my answer, why are you on this thread? It is like going to a store and complaining about the decor, if you don't like it just leave like a normal person.
Lastly there is more than 70 years of research and many peer reviewed papers supporting how height is a hard threshold for most women (read what I actually wrote dude, most - NOT ALL) and how looks cannot be negotiated. A woman (again most, NOT ALL) is either attracted to you or not, there is no amount game or confidence that can make her attracted. All of this is supported by science.
You are free to believe what ever you want, but don't call people names for voicing an opinion that is supported by a whole bunch of research.
The research supports that these criterias have to met in this order:
Height
Looks
Confidence
Game (social skills)
Quote from: Body Builder on April 04, 2024, 03:46:16 PM19 yo college sluts are nowhere as hot or hard to get as 25-30 yo good looking women.
Also no real man care about 19 yo sluts unless for maybe one night.
Well said my friend, well said!
Quote from: Body Builder on April 04, 2024, 03:46:16 PM19 yo college sluts are nowhere as hot or hard to get as 25-30 yo good looking women.
Also no real man care about 19 yo sluts unless for maybe one night.
Lol, cope more.
Quote from: Stand taller on April 04, 2024, 05:15:35 PMYou can think I am weird all day long, but this is my personal experience after being 165cm tall as an adult for almost two decades, and then all off sudden being 177cm tall for less than a year going out to bars and clubs. The difference is night and day. I cannot deny that. And I was answering a comment on my thoughts on dating and back pill. So chill the heck out. If you don't like my answer, why are you on this thread? It is like going to a store and complaining about the decor, if you don't like it just leave like a normal person.
Lastly there is more than 70 years of research and many peer reviewed papers supporting how height is a hard threshold for most women (read what I actually wrote dude, most - NOT ALL) and how looks cannot be negotiated. A woman (again most, NOT ALL) is either attracted to you or not, there is no amount game or confidence that can make her attracted. All of this is supported by science.
You are free to believe what ever you want, but don't call people names for voicing an opinion that is supported by a whole bunch of research.
The research supports that these criterias have to met in this order:
Height
Looks
Confidence
Game (social skills)
Strawman nonsense, I never said your 'game' matters (it certainly doesn't). Saying there's some hard limits for eveyrone tho is garbage. The reality is this: the uglier you are, the taller you need to be, and vice versa. It's all about being attractive overall relative to your competition.
At 165cm, you were too short for your face to compensate for it, but even if you had a Tom Cruise tier face (which you don't, as proven by your results as a manlet), you'd still be fishing in a lesser pool than your face would dictate because of the height. At 177cm, your height is much less of an issue and apparently your face/height combo is good enough to pull 30 yr old women, well congratulations for that I guess but it doesn't make you some authority or justify the endless motivational crap on here.
Lastly, if you want an echo chamber, reddit is that way. I'll feel free to criticise your or anyone elses posts as much as I like.
Quote from: jbfjbj4 on April 04, 2024, 07:19:52 PMLol, cope more.
Strawman nonsense, I never said your 'game' matters (it certainly doesn't). Saying there's some hard limits for eveyrone tho is garbage. The reality is this: the uglier you are, the taller you need to be, and vice versa. It's all about being attractive overall relative to your competition.
At 165cm, you were too short for your face to compensate for it, but even if you had a Tom Cruise tier face (which you don't, as proven by your results as a manlet), you'd still be fishing in a lesser pool than your face would dictate because of the height. At 177cm, your height is much less of an issue and apparently your face/height combo is good enough to pull 30 yr old women, well congratulations for that I guess but it doesn't make you some authority or justify the endless motivational crap on here.
Lastly, if you want an echo chamber, reddit is that way. I'll feel free to criticise your or anyone elses posts as much as I like.
There was no strawman fallacy on my part, as I was the one talking about "game" before you commented on my post. I was merely expanding on my own point So please try to follow the continuity here, it could be beneficial to you.
You are the one strawmaning here. I have been clear that these hard thresholds applies to most, and not all. I explicitly ALL CAPS that for your TWICE in the last post, but somehow you missed it.
"The reality is this: the uglier you are, the taller you need to be, and vice versa" Finally you are making sense, I knew I would get though eventually. Jokes aside, it seems like we basically agree on the basics, but disagree on the details. Where you would says the taller the better, the shorter the worse, the more handsome the better the less handsome the worse. All I am doing is talking that one step further and saying if you below a certain height it doesn't matter how handsome you are, you'll be too short. As I said, this is also supported but research. On the other hand, once you are above a certain height, gaining more height will be with diminishing returns. A 3 or 4/10 male will see very little gains in attraction going from 165cm - 177cm, because he even if he passes the height threshold for most women, he won't pass the looks threshold.
We are basically saying the same thing dude, so I am glad we found some common ground. Difference is, you are actually claiming to know when using phrases like "the reality is" and I the one saying "in my opinion", "I think", "in mr experience". You are the one being very assertive and claiming to know, not me. I find that ironic.
Again just to be clear, in my opinion (and I never claimed to be an authority, so again another strawman on your part, but I'll let that one slide) I believe these criterias have to be met in this order to attract most women. And it goes without saying that the more attractive the women, the higher her standards will be (again, that is supported my research).
I never said I pull women 30 year old women, so third fallacy in one post - now that has to be a new record. I am currently dating a 24 year old, a 26 year old and a 28 year old. And I agree, that still does not make me an authority. So it is convenient that I never claim to be one wouldn't you agree?
This far you have only attack my views, experiences and thought. Furthermore you are the one with the fallacies, three of them in one post. All of this leads me to believe that you have no other intention than to attack and argue with me, and I therefore consider you a troll. And forum rules say, don't reply or argue with trolls. So I will not reply further to you, and nobody else should either.
I wish you luck, and I hope in the future you can open your mind more to other peoples opinions, experiences and ideas. I know it is hard, I was once in my 20s, but ten years ago I decided to grow, to listen and to get better with help from others.
Cheers and have a nice day mate!
Inspiring. I am close to 28 and I am about to do it with Becker. I wish I could be in your stage already.
Quote from: lucindaris on April 04, 2024, 09:17:17 PMInspiring. I am close to 28 and I am about to do it with Becker. I wish I could be in your stage already.
Yeah, I also did it with Becker. It will take time, pain and hard work - but you will get there mate!
Were you able to work remotely? After what time you started to work at least for a few hours a day?
Nice to see you still updating here.
Quote from: Stand taller on April 03, 2024, 06:41:37 PMSome from women in conversation and others randomly on the street in broad daylight
How does this work exactly, are you just in the middle of a random weekday as people go about their day with errands and such, and then women throw compliments at you on the sidewalk? What kind of thing would they say? Would just be nice with a more specific example, as I'm sure this is not a common experience for most people or a bit hard to visualize unless it was in a situation where the context matches it such as with drunk people walking or hanging out in a city's nightlife areas, some kind of festival or celebration, etc.
Quote from: Stand tallerI am currently dating a 24 year old, a 26 year old and a 28 year old
Now I got curious, how tall are these three women you're dating?
Has changing your height changed your own size/height preferences or how you perceive women's attractiveness otherwise?
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