Choosing A Doctor - Safety & Budget (Merged)

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on February 05, 2016, 09:49:48 AM So I can conclude that every plastic surgeon is a ruthless doctor? A ruthless doctor is one who will tell you "With me, nothing will happen to you". A good doctor will tell you "even with the best complications may arise". The first trait to know if a doctor is good or not is honesty... Afterwards come to rest.

Maybe i didn't make myself clear enough. A good doctor always tries to make sick people healthy again. But looking at cosmetic LL and it's extremely high complication rates it is inevitable for a doctor not to transform from time to time a completely healthy person into a cripple. In order to do this, the doctor has to be ruthless. Think about it. A doctor who specializes in cosmetic LL, i.e. who hardly does anything else actually has to be a sociopath.
The sentence 'complications may arise' is misleading since it still doesn't mention the high probabilities because they are highly relevant. When you enter an airplane you know it might crash, however you know the probability is very low. And none of those drs. specialized in cosmetic LL will tell you the truth about your odds, let alone long-term consequences.

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what are long term consequences ?

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Quote from: hanshi on February 05, 2016, 09:43:23 PMMaybe i didn't make myself clear enough. A good doctor always tries to make sick people healthy again. But looking at cosmetic LL and it's extremely high complication rates it is inevitable for a doctor not to transform from time to time a completely healthy person into a cripple. In order to do this, the doctor has to be ruthless. Think about it. A doctor who specializes in cosmetic LL, i.e. who hardly does anything else actually has to be a sociopath.
The sentence 'complications may arise' is misleading since it still doesn't mention the high probabilities because they are highly relevant. When you enter an airplane you know it might crash, however you know the probability is very low. And none of those drs. specialized in cosmetic LL will tell you the truth about your odds, let alone long-term consequences.

  You dont know what are the % of complication rates with the top notch docs (Paley, Guichet, Catagni), since almost all diaries here are of people who went to third world countries like india, russia, egypt (what the hell were they thinking!), Serbia (No offence to the serbs) and other under-developed countries. Best thing is (in my humble opinion), get a consultation long before you plan to do the surgery, prepare good and though questions, and also, visit some doctors before doing this thing... Not just one. I am planning on seeing Catagni, Paley and guichet before deciding what to do.

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Quote from: Thatdude950 on February 05, 2016, 10:06:26 AMTry 50- 60% (probably higher!) vs 30- 40%. Based on diaries anyway.

The vast majority of people who undergo CLL do not experience complication and never even write on these forums.  Out of the people who post here, significantly more people do not have any complications or if they do, they are treated easily.

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Quote from: aspirant185 on February 05, 2016, 11:20:36 PMThe vast majority of people who undergo CLL do not experience complication and never even write on these forums.  Out of the people who post here, significantly more people do not have any complications or if they do, they are treated easily.

I have to disagree and this line of thinking is how people rationalize going to bad doctors.  There's a reason why so many orthopedic surgeons refuse to do cosmetic lengthening.  LL is dangerous and risky even with the best doctors, though your odds much are better with good doctors as others have said.

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Quote from: goldenegg on February 06, 2016, 12:39:53 AMI have to disagree and this line of thinking is how people rationalize going to bad doctors.  There's a reason why so many orthopedic surgeons refuse to do cosmetic lengthening.  LL is dangerous and risky even with the best doctors, though your odds much are better with good doctors as others have said.

  It's not as risky as some people here believe it to be... Many doctors won't do it for the simple reason that many doctors dont see themselves as good enough to do it. Do you know how many doctors in Israel agree to perform bariatric surgery for cosmetic reasons (not when the person is obese enough)? 2-3 out of maybe 100-200 who know how to do so.

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on February 06, 2016, 12:44:00 AMMany doctors won't do it for the simple reason that many doctors dont see themselves as good enough to do it.

that may be true in some developed and regulated countries, but if you read enough bad diaries you'll see there are plenty of doctors in third world countries who will gladly perform LL on you if you pay them.

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Quote from: goldenegg on February 06, 2016, 01:11:05 AMthat may be true in some developed and regulated countries, but if you read enough bad diaries you'll see there are plenty of doctors in third world countries who will gladly perform LL on you if you pay them.

  That's why I said in the first post (That was a comment of mine on another post that somehow became an indipendent post) that people should not consider budget but safety first.

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on February 06, 2016, 01:31:15 AM  That's why I said in the first post (That was a comment of mine on another post that somehow became an indipendent post) that people should not consider budget but safety first.

ah my bad.  if you were referring to just top doctors as less risky then I totally agree

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Quote from: goldenegg on February 06, 2016, 01:52:04 AMah my bad.  if you were referring to just top doctors as less risky then I totally agree

  Yeah. I means that with the top doctors (Paley, guichet, Catagni (maybe Pili as well), your risks of complications that can not be treated are much lower than the risk if you are going to third world countries doctors who also post fake diaries...
  Btw, didnt you do LL with guichet? If so, how are you today?