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@zakika Exactly, and yes society reinforces them, but there is an innateness to it. When I interact with people taller than me, I subconsciously consider them superior, physically that is. That feeling was there before my neurosis but now it's more noticeable, and I realize that no therapy will change my perspective other than growing taller to at least an average height where I'm not too tall and neither too short.

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These are evolutionary core motivs, however societal (I would rather call them economical) influences won't help either . But the main origin is definitely not explicable with societal provocation. It is important to understand to be able to analyse a person's motivation, and not to judge immediately (all the media can be judged though . It is also essential to distinguish between inner and outer drive (real imbalance between how someone sees him/herself, and feels in his body and the pressure from society, environment), and to measure the ratio between these factors. That's partly the reason why I would find important to evaluate a patient psychologically (and it all comes down to aesthetic/plastic interventions). Not an easy q, won't be a solution for that soon I think, a forum could at least warn, if someone doesn't measure the risks, and has no realistic standpoint.

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Quote from: ZUCC420 on May 20, 2018, 05:36:55 PM@zakika Exactly, and yes society reinforces them, but there is an innateness to it. When I interact with people taller than me, I subconsciously consider them superior, physically that is. That feeling was there before my neurosis but now it's more noticeable, and I realize that no therapy will change my perspective other than growing taller to at least an average height where I'm not too tall and neither too short.

When I interact with most people taller than me, I know that they are weaker both physically and mentally than me, but biologically they're going to be considered the opposite and also subconsciously think the opposite as well. It creates resentment and envy in my mind for inferior people that I should never think twice about.

The fact that society reinforces those inaccurate, outdated beliefs is infuriating. And don't us dare say anything obligatory towards homosxxuals when biologically most of us are geared to think it's gross and not be into it. But society has proven that these things being overlooked can become mainstream.

Therefor LL levels the playing field. To go through LL it's tons of money, time wasted and risk factors.

So large feelings of resentment set in either way regardless of the decision made.

We all have our own psychological problems as it pertains to wanting to get LL knowing the risks. It usually depends on our life experiences which problems we develop first. ALL of them are justified if you're below 5'9"-5'10" whereas NONE of them are if you're above.


The fact that someone in the Netherlands can bxtch and complain about how they're 6'1" when everyone else is 6'4" there is absolutely ridiculous. Boo hoo. It's the equivalent to being born in Beverly Hills from a family who only owns 3 Ferraris instead of the 5 all of your friends have. It is not justified get LL from an objective prospective if statistics and logic are used for a 6'1" person.

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@johnson1111 Do you think if tons of men congregate and start protesting against heightism initially starting a movement, society will acknowledge the problems? Media starts pushing shortmen into protagonist roles, twitter starts hash tagging #short&proud, #proudmanlet etc. Will this hypothetical situation ameliorate the problems short men face or will it tend to do the opposite? IMO it will exacerbate the situation even more, but you have to start somewhere right?

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Quote from: ZUCC420 on May 20, 2018, 06:24:48 PM@johnson1111 Do you think if tons of men congregate and start protesting against heightism initially starting a movement, society will acknowledge the problems? Media starts pushing shortmen into protagonist roles, twitter starts hash tagging #short&proud, #proudmanlet etc. Will this hypothetical situation ameliorate the problems short men face or will it tend to do the opposite? IMO it will exacerbate the situation even more, but you have to start somewhere right?

Sadly I agree with the outlined scenario and it may be even worse. The mocking would be unbearable and hypocritical, incompetent snarky remarks like "Short men are mad when X (Whatever psychological problem is trending more at the time trans, pansxxual etc) are going through X, Y, Z,  "

My point here is just to point out that the risks don't matter to most of us and we've accepted them. It's not that we don't understand them...It's that they're not enough to deter us.

Psychological rumination about how our height is going to continue to negatively effect our life to the point where it takes people to the brink of insanity is essentially burning in hell long before any FE or blood clot from an incompetent surgeon could possibly take you there.

I sound extreme but am I really? Everyone reading is willing to butcher their legs for a few inches or less. I shouldn't be judged for saying the reality..

But I do think an eventual conclusion in the future that things like height don't matter (Especially since we don't hunt anymore for our food or do any of the things that made height valuable in the first place) would make more room and time for worthwhile pursuits from worthy men of shorter stature. That could only be a positive.

I also do think the learning curve of the movement would be harsh on shorter men but something like that would actually eventually work. Things get engrained into peoples's heads very quickly once they're told these things over and over again by society and on social media. Especially if it's logical and reasonable like this is. Whether it's the best method to go about doing it, is another question entirely.

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#Proudmanlet - LMFAO. Guys, the whole mindset has a complex drive (even if in Holland avg height is 6,1), but if one's own motivation is mainly inner (mainly, not fully), our physical, mental, and financial background is optimal, we just have to support each other on the way. fk society 

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Johnson, sorry for being the d..head, but evolutionary patterns can't just be changed, because it would be right or fair. Maybe I'm redpilling, but I think it sounds like to change on the situation more feminine women should be considered as average feminine, so there wouldn't be inequality in this manner. It is not a coincidence men look at women differently according to specific traits and vice versa.

But the risks should be ruled out finally by professionals (doctors, psychologists) in an ideal case, period.

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Proud manlet is a manlet that is 5'5" with a 9" penor believe it or not, and in the distant future I believe genetic engineering will resolve most if not all of the issues humans face today that are purely biological. 

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Tissue engineering is already a viable approach nowadays, I'm not sure in Chinese labs there is no current solution for it, it is not a utopia in 2050 there will be running people 6,5 feet tall with an IQ of 200. But the current reality is a long, painful way to increase couple of inches, only along realistic goals.

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Yes but we fight against biological instincts every single day to conform to societal standards and ways of living through indirect or direct forms of programming. It's just become the norm.

People should be convinced that they should feel guilty for their biological beliefs even if they cannot control them as it pertains to heightism. THEY should become depressed about that, not us for being shorter when we cannot control it. In that scenario, it's actually more morally correct than what's going on now. The perpetrator now feels guilty/depressed, rather than the victim.

Anyway, it's alot of speculation and will probably never happen. LL is the only option or a lucky growth spurt.