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Quote from: Body Builder on April 11, 2017, 04:13:14 PMAnyone who plans to do less than 5cm with one LL should stop thinking about LL and continue his life with some added lifts.
1 inch is so minor that is hardly recognizable and it is completely insane to break your legs for that, no matter how much money you have.
After all the ones who really need LL to improve their lives know that so small amounts are ridiculous and won't change anything so they go for at least 2 inches.
Everything less is only a loss of money, time and still has many risks without a real benefit.

1 inch is very much noticeable by everyone closer to your original height. I can tell you first hand. It's just the tall guys who can't see any difference, because they see you from a much smaller angle than the people around your initial height.
But personally, I agree that it would be totally insane to break your legs for this amount.
I would never EVER have done LL purposely for just one inch. 4/5cm in one segment is a really good goal. It shouldn't be more and it shouldn't be less either.



 

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Quote from: 682 on April 11, 2017, 06:32:53 PM
You do realize that peoples financial situations aren't all the same and the price of the procedure is relative to the person deciding to undergo it? $100,000 to one person may be a lot, to another, absolutely nothing. If someone has the finances and is willing to spend it then why wouldn't they choose to go with one of the most accomplished orthopedic surgeons in the world who is likely in the same country to achieve their goals? I don't believe amount lengthened should dictate surgeon choice, regardless of amount, one should choose the surgeon they feel most comfortable with.

No, Even if I was a millionaire i wouldn't drop that much money for a inch but that's just me though. And amount lengthened should dictate surgeon choice because if your lengthening one inch chances are you won't run into any problem so why pay more for the same result?

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Quote from: 682 on April 11, 2017, 06:32:53 PMElecting to have your legs surgically sawed and broken in half and a rod reamed through the centre for cosmetic lengthening of any amount is ridiculous. While I agree that one should aim to gain an amount which they would consider worthwhile if they are considering undergoing such a traumatic, time consuming, expensive and extreme procedure, but that varies largely from person to person, therefore I think it would be wise to not conflate what you deem worthwhile with what someone else may perceive as such. The best amount is the lowest you would be content with.

Now, addressing your other point, if the absolute minimum you wish to lengthen is 4 inches/10.16CM, then you aren't conservative in your lengthening, even if some people choose to lengthen way beyond that. 5/6CM on the tibias/femurs respectively is usually the maximum recommended for a relatively safe and complication free and 4 inches is at that very upper limit.

You do realize that peoples financial situations aren't all the same and the price of the procedure is relative to the person deciding to undergo it? $100,000 to one person may be a lot, to another, absolutely nothing. If someone has the finances and is willing to spend it then why wouldn't they choose to go with one of the most accomplished orthopedic surgeons in the world who is likely in the same country to achieve their goals? I don't believe amount lengthened should dictate surgeon choice, regardless of amount, one should choose the surgeon they feel most comfortable with.

Anyone considering limb lengthening should stop thinking about limb lengthening and continue their life with lifts. But as you know, this isn't always the case.

I'd argue that while I believe an inch on either segment, resulting in 2 inches of height should be the very least someone should aim for after such an expensive, time consuming, painful and dangerous procedure, I disagree that it is 'minor and hardly recognizable'. 2 inches is still a substantial amount and if that is somebody's goal for whatever reason, nobody has the right to judge and criticize because their goal and priorities are different.

As I wrote earlier, electing to have your legs surgically sawed and broken in half and a rod reamed through the center for cosmetic lengthening of any amount is insane whether it's for an inch or ten. We could argue until the end of time concerning what specific amount would make the procedure 'worth it' but at the end, it all comes down to what the person considering the procedure deems acceptable and worthwhile. Your goals won't be the same as someone else's, that doesn't mean either of your goals are 'right' or 'wrong'.

Im planing  to do 4 cm if I do externals. I was saying if I was doing 2 surgerys and not 1 then at minimum I would 5 cm each because in my opinion thats too much time, pain and money spent for only 5 cm.

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4 cm is good and totally noticeable. 

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Quote from: 0184946 on April 11, 2017, 08:00:17 PMNo, Even if I was a millionaire i wouldn't drop that much money for a inch but that's just me though. And amount lengthened should dictate surgeon choice because if your lengthening one inch chances are you won't run into any problem so why pay more for the same result?

The bolded section is the operative part. I completely disagree with you about surgeon choice but that's fine, I personally believe the best doctor should be chosen if the funds allow it regardless of length, the surgery itself is serious and the quality of the surgery/method do have an effect - I would rather mitigate as much risk as possible.

Quote from: Iamready on April 11, 2017, 08:34:27 PM4 cm is good and totally noticeable. 

I completely agree Iamready. If somebody suddenly grew almost 2 inches, no doubt would it be noticeable.

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Quote from: 682 on April 11, 2017, 06:32:53 PMElecting to have your legs surgically sawed and broken in half and a rod reamed through the centre for cosmetic lengthening of any amount is ridiculous. While I agree that one should aim to gain an amount which they would consider worthwhile if they are considering undergoing such a traumatic, time consuming, expensive and extreme procedure, but that varies largely from person to person, therefore I think it would be wise to not conflate what you deem worthwhile with what someone else may perceive as such. The best amount is the lowest you would be content with.

Now, addressing your other point, if the absolute minimum you wish to lengthen is 4 inches/10.16CM, then you aren't conservative in your lengthening, even if some people choose to lengthen way beyond that. 5/6CM on the tibias/femurs respectively is usually the maximum recommended for a relatively safe and complication free and 4 inches is at that very upper limit.

You do realize that peoples financial situations aren't all the same and the price of the procedure is relative to the person deciding to undergo it? $100,000 to one person may be a lot, to another, absolutely nothing. If someone has the finances and is willing to spend it then why wouldn't they choose to go with one of the most accomplished orthopedic surgeons in the world who is likely in the same country to achieve their goals? I don't believe amount lengthened should dictate surgeon choice, regardless of amount, one should choose the surgeon they feel most comfortable with.

Anyone considering limb lengthening should stop thinking about limb lengthening and continue their life with lifts. But as you know, this isn't always the case.

I'd argue that while I believe an inch on either segment, resulting in 2 inches of height should be the very least someone should aim for after such an expensive, time consuming, painful and dangerous procedure, I disagree that it is 'minor and hardly recognizable'. 2 inches is still a substantial amount and if that is somebody's goal for whatever reason, nobody has the right to judge and criticize because their goal and priorities are different.

As I wrote earlier, electing to have your legs surgically sawed and broken in half and a rod reamed through the center for cosmetic lengthening of any amount is insane whether it's for an inch or ten. We could argue until the end of time concerning what specific amount would make the procedure 'worth it' but at the end, it all comes down to what the person considering the procedure deems acceptable and worthwhile. Your goals won't be the same as someone else's, that doesn't mean either of your goals are 'right' or 'wrong'.

What would you say to someone that would go from 5'8 to being tall enough to pursue their dream of a modeling career? It might not pan out and I won't have the money for a while but its still better than saying it was for another life.

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Quote from: Fnyc on April 11, 2017, 11:45:26 PMWhat would you say to someone that would go from 5'8 to being tall enough to pursue their dream of a modeling career? It might not pan out and I won't have the money for a while but its still better than saying it was for another life.

I would tell them to thoroughly research every aspect of limb lengthening, understand the severity of the procedure including the inconvenience, time, pain, money, possible long term health issues, loss of athleticism, years of physical therapy... etc., consider the very real possibility of serious complications, truly consider if it is worth electing to undergo such an extreme procedure on perfectly healthy limbs and the definite loss of athletic potential for a few inches of height, try to resolve the issues and come to terms with their height with the help of a therapist if needed.

If after all of this, that person is realistic on what is and isn't achievable from lengthening and the risks and trade off that goes with it and was still intent on undergoing the procedure, I would advise they research further, physically and mentally prepare themselves, take time to save the finances to undergo the procedure with the best surgeon they can afford in the safest manner possible without taking needless risk and cutting corners to save money, lengthen a conservative amount at a reasonable rate in hopes of a satisfactory outcome.

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It really surprises me that people fail to register the simple fact that the best way to not lose athletic ability is not to lengthen. Period. However, since this seems to be a circular argument (doubtful that this will stop it, but I'll attempt it at any rate), here goes:

Athletes of any kind, from recreational children's teams to professional players that have hundred million dollar contracts do everything in their power to NOT get hurt. At the highest levels, athletes get taken out of games and put on injured reserves for small sprains. Larger injuries, and you're out for 4-6 weeks. Ligament tear, you're looking at a year out.

With CLL, you're breaking - re-read that for emphasis please - breaking, both legs, skewing not only your biomechanical ratio (yes, if you lengthen all 4 segments, you can offset this some, but not completely, as you also throw off overall body proportions as well as your natural equilibrium and center of gravity), stretching soft tissue beyond its normal biological  capabilities, reducing your range of motion in at least your lower extremities. In terms of total recovery, you're setting yourself back by at least 1.5 years. That is best case scenario, with zero complications.

Let's assume you hit best case scenario with zero complications. You've lost 1.5 years of practice, muscle endurance, aerobic/anaerobic capacity, motor reflex, hand/eye coordination, strength, power, etc. I could go on and on.

Take a simple sport like running. Let's say you're a recreational runner, and you're running a 9 minute mile over an average of 5 miles. If you stop running for 2 months, you will not be able to run those times. Full stop. You'll have to re-train just to get back to that level. Now let's say you undergo CLL, you are lucky and hit best-case scenario in terms of recovery, but you've stretched ligaments, muscles, nerves beyond their natural biological capabilities as related to your particular, unique body, you've offset your equilibrium, center of gravity and biomechanical ratios, and you've aged 1.5 years. Do you reasonably think you'll be able to run the same times as before? Do you think you'll ever be able to improve upon those times? Answer is no.

This is not a hard calculation to make. Just apply some simple logic and you'll get to the same results. This is not knee surgery to repair a torn meniscus or ligament. This is a complicated surgery where serious tradeoffs are made, with diminished athletic ability being one. I won't judge you for opting in. I participate in several sports, two competitively, one at a fairly high level. I have a good starting height - not 6', but not 5'4", and I believe everyone deserves to be happy, and if this makes you happy, regardless of your starting height, do the surgery. It's why I'm doing it. I'm prepared to hang up both sports - I do them for fun anyway - recover as well as I can, and just be content with being physically fit and in good shape for the rest of my life.

Let's face it, most people are recreational athletes anyway. No serious professional athlete would ever consider this. It would mean a loss of their career, instantly.

So don't expect the surgery to produce both additional height and to get you back to where you were athletically. It just isn't possible. Multiple Drs. have confirmed this. So does common sense and logic. Yet this question repeatedly comes up. Regardless of how bad you want both things, you can't have them. So reason and think this through and see whether CLL is for you, and what you are willing to give up in return for 3 inches in height. Read through diaries of patients who didn't have a stellar outcome - there are plenty here. The best case scenario generally only happens only under the best of physicians, the best of care, and lots and lots of preparation. All of which cost time and in the case of this procedure, a lot of money. And with that, your best case outcome is good consolidation with no complications, physical recovery after 1.5 years or so, a normal walking gait, and return to activity - but that's it.

And last - if your athletic performance is really that important to you, stay healthy, avoid injury, train smart, and always do your best to stay away from the surgeon's knife, whether it's this, or any other surgery.