Discrimination Against Average-height Limb Lengtheners

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Quote from: Sibirsky on July 02, 2017, 10:33:20 PMLadies and gentlemen, I present to you a double-standard. In other words he's just saying in a lengthy way: other average height people dont deserve to do the surgery, but I DO. I don't care how you phrase it; 5' 9 to 5'11 is average in virtually all Western nations. At least I am capable of admitting that I did it just once for happiness. You can't even bring yourself to admit you're doing it twice for your ego (exhibited by the underlined quote)

You must be stupid or a liar to say such things.
I always said that anyone who is less than average height has reasons to do LL and at my country I am 4 cm less than average.
Even in your case I said that I don't judge you for doing LL at 1.76 but for doing 8cm in tibias and ruining your proportions and your athletic abilities without real reason because even if you stopped at 6-6.5 cm you would have still been tall enough but with better proportions and functionality.
I am almost 2 cm less than your initial height and I plan to do max 7cm (probably 6) and in femurs where maximum safe border is more than tibias. If I lengthen 10 cm and have as bad proportions as you then you can judge me about not doing what I said, but not now.

Sibirsky you may want to attack me because I told you my completely honest opinion about your really bad proportions after LL and your too much lengthening that it was a bad decision.
But don't say lies, I always said that less than average men has reasons to do LL. And in a country like mine where average men's height is 1.78, my 1,74 (cause 1,75,5 is only my morning height) is shorter by a major amount so I am clearly in the category of less than average height men.
So which are the double standards you speak about?

Tibike, I am not obsessing about anything. I just want to improve the last thing I believe I have less than average and this is height.
So the only way to fix it is LL. It is that simple.
Till then I continue my life normally.

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Quote from: Body Builder on July 02, 2017, 10:50:37 PMYou must be stupid or a liar to say such things.
I always said that anyone who is less than average height has reasons to do LL and at my country I am 4 cm less than average.
Even in your case I said that I don't judge you for doing LL at 1.76 but for doing 8cm in tibias and ruining your proportions and your athletic abilities without real reason because even if you stopped at 6-6.5 cm you would have still been tall enough but with better proportions and functionality.
I am almost 2 cm less than your initial height and I plan to do max 7cm (probably 6) and in femurs where maximum safe border is more than tibias. If I lengthen 10 cm and have as bad proportions as you then you can judge me about not doing what I said, but not now.

Sibirsky you may want to attack me because I told you my completely honest opinion about your really bad proportions after LL and your too much lengthening that it was a bad decision.
But don't say lies, I always said that less than average men has reasons to do LL. And in a country like mine where average men's height is 1.78, my 1,74 (cause 1,75,5 is only my morning height) is shorter by a major amount so I am clearly in the category of less than average height men.
So which are the double standards you speak about?

Tibike, I am not obsessing about anything. I just want to improve the last thing I believe I have less than average and this is height.
So the only way to fix it is LL. It is that simple.
Till then I continue my life normally.

Just 4 cm less and you would rather break your legs rather than just wear lifts? Whatever happened to the dangers of losing athletic abilities? And no I'm not attacking I'm just questioning the motives and reasons behind the things you're telling the community

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I just Think all of you guys who hve done LL i super brave

And i wish i could know how it would feel on My own Body after doing 5-6 ... Staying in the low amount

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Quote from: Sibirsky on July 02, 2017, 11:01:00 PMJust 4 cm less and you would rather break your legs rather than just wear lifts? Whatever happened to the dangers of losing athletic abilities? And no I'm not attacking I'm just questioning the motives and reasons behind the things you're telling the community

You wonder why I want an LL at 4cm less than average in my country while you mentioned that you were about 2 cm taller than average in your country even before LL and regardless of that you lengthened a huge 8cm amount and ruined your proportions.
Are you a madman?

My athletic abilities are not as before LL. The LL itself and the disastrous atl I did made my functionality about 80% compared to before. I believe that the fix surgery I did before 2.5 months will help me gain maybe even 10% more but I won't know before hiting 6 months at least. So yes, another LL won't improve my condition but I don't believe it will worsen it too as I'll do a very safe amount of lengthening and my femur-tibia ration will become almost normal which helps with premature arthritis and all these.
I don't want to lie, I don't think that another LL will make my functionality better but I really don't believe it will worsen it significant and even if I lose another 5%, I prefer to be a 75% functional 1.80 man than a 1.74 80% functional man as the difference is small in functionality but big in terms of height.
But if I had the choice of becoming 1.84 and about 80% functional compared to 1.82 90% functional, of course I would choose the second. You chose the first.
Of course things may go bad and become a cripple as everyone who does LL. But that's a risk I am willing to take because with the extra height I'll vain my life will be improved. A 6ft guy who does LL can't say the same though as the risk outweighs a lot the benefits.

So you are one of the last that can judge me for wanting LL at 4cm less than the average height in my country while you did it at a more than average initial height.
As for my motivation, I wrote about it many times and I always speak completely honest. It is women and the thing that I don't want to be less than average in something that I can't change with hard work as I always tried hard to improve my life amd myself. But height is one of the few things you can't change psysically and unfortunately maybe the most important for a man and LL is the only way.

So I explained for one more time my motivations.
Are you ok now or you'll continue to tell lies about me having double standards?

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Quote from: Body Builder on July 02, 2017, 10:04:44 PMBecause at 5.9 (or 5.85 during the most of the day to be honest) I still feel and see that my height is my weakest point.
I have a good face, I hit the gym frequent and have build a built body, I have a better than average job (no way I am rich though) and generally speaking I improved myself almost as much as I could but the only thing I am less than average is still my height. And on dating I see that it is so important that, although I am way better than the average man of my country in every aspect, I can't do a so nice first impression as taller dudes and most women are very strict with me saying that I am not as tall as they wished or that I would have been much better if I have been taller and all these. Also my ex gf uses to tease me about my height although I was way taller than her (she was 5.4) and huge compared to her now bf who is 6.1 btw.

So Christopher, unlike many tall people here, I imoroved anything I could and if you may, believe my words, I am better in almost any aspect than the average man.
But my lack of height, or to be more specific the lack of being comoletely average or even better 1-2 inch more than that, makes me feel worse than the average man in the eyes of many women out there and I really find it stupid to work so hard in all other aspects to compensate for the only thing I can't change physically.
So I don't want to continue compensate for anything and the only thing I lack, even not much as I still have successes in dating and in other aspects of my life, is height.
So the only way for me to feel complete and have more success with women who most of the times are obsessed about men's height is unfortunately another one LL.

YES understand you position
180 CM+ is best in every country is real  for me is the same probleme 175cm in not short  but is not tall   but is very very more buter tu 168CM IS DIFFERENT WORLD FOR ME

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For me:
an increase from 160 cm to 170 cm ads 10 happiness points,
an increase from 170 cm to 180 cm ads 14 happiness points,
an increase from 180 cm to 190 cm ads  7 happiness points,
an increase from 190 cm to 200 cm ads 1.5 happiness points.

In more detail:
160 - 165: up 4 points
165 - 170: up 6 points
170 - 175: up 7.5 points
175 - 180: up 6.5 points
180 - 185: up 4.5 points
185 - 190: up 2.5 points
190 - 195: up 1 points
195 - 200: up 0.5 point
200 - 205: down 0.5 points

The reason is that if you are 160 and increase 5 cm you will still be at the bottom 5% of population.
But if you are 175 and go to 180, you go from shorter than 65% of population to taller than 65% of population, so with 5cm you pass 30% of the population.
 
http://imgur.com/a/HSHqZ

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Quote from: helloworld on July 03, 2017, 10:22:10 AMFor me:
an increase from 160 cm to 170 cm ads 10 happiness points,
an increase from 170 cm to 180 cm ads 14 happiness points,
an increase from 180 cm to 190 cm ads  7 happiness points,
an increase from 190 cm to 200 cm ads 1.5 happiness points.

In more detail:
160 - 165: up 4 points
165 - 170: up 6 points
170 - 175: up 7.5 points
175 - 180: up 6.5 points
180 - 185: up 4.5 points
185 - 190: up 2.5 points
190 - 195: up 1 points
195 - 200: up 0.5 point
200 - 205: down 0.5 points

The reason is that if you are 160 and increase 5 cm you will still be at the bottom 5% of population.
But if you are 175 and go to 180, you go from shorter than 65% of population to taller than 65% of population, so with 5cm you pass 30% of the population.
 
http://imgur.com/a/HSHqZ

Hey helloworld! I don't think you realise what you've just done. You my friend are a genius! You have just pointed out an empirical and quantitative way we can measure how worth it and how much 'happiness' one can gain during limb lengthening. I think it's ingenious that you figured out that we can make a correlation between increase in height from initial height compared to the distribution in heights of the population. If one factors in that height distribution is arranged in a bell jar shape in population with the majority surrounding the 50th percentile, it means that if you are average or only slightly below the 50th percentile, limb lengthening will allow you to surpass a significant portion of the population with relatively small lengthening. Conversely, if we are at the extremities (too tall/too short) the change in height will only cause us to surpass only a small percentage of the population even with relatively higher lengthening.

I suggest we further develop this idea with proper stats so we can truly show that it's definitely worth doing limb lengthening if one is average or around average and more importantly, provide a quantitative assessment on one of the most asked questions in this forum: is it worth doing limb lengthening?

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@Sibirsky @helloworld

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Quote from: helloworld on July 03, 2017, 10:22:10 AMFor me:
an increase from 160 cm to 170 cm ads 10 happiness points,
an increase from 170 cm to 180 cm ads 14 happiness points,
an increase from 180 cm to 190 cm ads  7 happiness points,
an increase from 190 cm to 200 cm ads 1.5 happiness points.

In more detail:
160 - 165: up 4 points
165 - 170: up 6 points
170 - 175: up 7.5 points
175 - 180: up 6.5 points
180 - 185: up 4.5 points
185 - 190: up 2.5 points
190 - 195: up 1 points
195 - 200: up 0.5 point
200 - 205: down 0.5 points

The reason is that if you are 160 and increase 5 cm you will still be at the bottom 5% of population.
But if you are 175 and go to 180, you go from shorter than 65% of population to taller than 65% of population, so with 5cm you pass 30% of the population.
 
http://imgur.com/a/HSHqZ

Nice work Helloworld although I think that above 1.80 the happiness points should be less and from 1.85 and above we should talk about craziness points, not happiness.
The biggest change imo is with people between 5.6 and 5.9 initial heights but still even shorter people can benefit a lot from LL.

@Christopher: as I see we are almost in the same position. Same initial height, same afterLL height and still believing that another LL will benefit us a lot. I'm sure you can understand what I am talking about when I explain my motivations for another LL.

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Bodybuilder, I agree with your assessment. The points represent my preferences and the increase in happiness for me only levels off once you get to above 180 and even at 185 there is quite some increase to 190 and 195.
That of course reflects my personal situation with parents over 180 and 185 and brothers that are over 195.

But my point is that I definately see your benefit going from 175 to 180!
And even for me, going from 181 to 186, I am much less self-conscious now. In fact, I have a self confidence, similar to what I had while living in India and China, where even before LL I was considered tall.

By the way, if I was below 170 cm I would emigrate to India, China or South America.