DO NOT FALL VICTIM TO FAKE STUDIES ON HEIGHT

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What can be learned from this is that height is pretty much the same everywhere in Europe I guess.

Also not to get too political here but once EU starts behaving more in the manner of the US, instead of an economic entity, as is the current trend- European wide migration and intermingling will eventually cause a regression towards the mean in the areas where any outliers are  in a few decades anyway.

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The gist is, basically: consider whether this surgery is worth it at all if you're at least 170cm (5'7), and you can live life at 100% (one hundred percent) if you are at least 175~176cm (lifts will easily get you to 180cm).

There are always be online maniacs claiming you need to be over 180cm (5'11) to be their fxcked up notion of an ideal man. Ignore them. An "ideal" man (if we really need to call it that) is someone who is taller than or the height of >99% of women, and is never regarded as a little "pipsqueak" anywhere. Being tall is a luxury. Count your blessings and don't risk your legs over this.

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Quote from: myloginacc on July 04, 2019, 07:48:06 PMBeing tall is a luxury.
Wise words.

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on July 04, 2019, 04:03:00 PMDon't feel pity for people who are shorter. This is also a form of heightism, even if well-meaning. I understand where you're coming from, you think "I feel bad being at my height, so logically, someone who is even shorter must feel even worse". When I was younger, I used to see guys shorter than me an secretly think "I'm so sorry man, I feel your struggle", but I have realized there might be no struggle, and even if some stranger feels unhappy with his height, he might feel less unhappy than me, he might have coped a lot better or even feel good with his life? What do we know, we can't look into others' heads?

Feel bad for people being unhappy, don't feel bad for them being short.
I can't agree with you more.  This is really well said!

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on July 04, 2019, 04:03:00 PMDon't feel pity for people who are shorter. This is also a form of heightism, even if well-meaning. I understand where you're coming from, you think "I feel bad being at my height, so logically, someone who is even shorter must feel even worse". When I was younger, I used to see guys shorter than me an secretly think "I'm so sorry man, I feel your struggle", but I have realized there might be no struggle, and even if some stranger feels unhappy with his height, he might feel less unhappy than me, he might have coped a lot better or even feel good with his life? What do we know, we can't look into others' heads?

Feel bad for people being unhappy, don't feel bad for them being short.


Oh No i didn’t mean I pity them for being shorter than me or being short, I pity that they have to go through immeasurable struggle to gain a few inches and still be a victim of societies merciless treatment and perspective. Breaking your legs to become 5’5 and they will still be alot under average. At least in my case I can reach the average or a  above it which is even better. In my fate I can escape it, in their case after two surgeries and countless pain and money spent they will still be considered short although to a much acceptable degree which is better I guess 


People say don’t care what other people think but height  is integrated in and embedded in our lives
It’s even worse that my families males are 6ft+ average and when I visit  they all blatantly rude and constantly make comments or statements. I’ll wear one inch lifts with some good sneakers to add a couple inches and they’ll openly make fun of my lifts in front of everyone in my family get together,
It’s all love and jokes  at the end of the day and they don’t take their comments seriously or think it offends me that much but it really does deeply, it makes you feel lesser of a person. So when I think about the   I go through at my height I pity what people a little under that have to go through because they get it even worse

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Quote from: Activatedx on July 05, 2019, 08:30:26 PM
Oh No i didn’t mean I pity them for being shorter than me or being short, I pity that they have to go through immeasurable struggle to gain a few inches and still be a victim of societies merciless treatment and perspective. Breaking your legs to become 5’5 and they will still be alot under average. At least in my case I can reach the average or a  above it which is even better. In my fate I can escape it, in their case after two surgeries and countless pain and money spent they will still be considered short although to a much acceptable degree which is better I guess 


People say don’t care what other people think but height  is integrated in and embedded in our lives
It’s even worse that my families males are 6ft+ average and when I visit  they all blatantly rude and constantly make comments or statements. I’ll wear one inch lifts with some good sneakers to add a couple inches and they’ll openly make fun of my lifts in front of everyone in my family get together,
It’s all love and jokes  at the end of the day and they don’t take their comments seriously or think it offends me that much but it really does deeply, it makes you feel lesser of a person. So when I think about the   I go through at my height I pity what people a little under that have to go through because they get it even worse

But me emotionally... 6ft is the magic number...

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Quote from: PANDA:BEAR.. on July 05, 2019, 08:41:10 PMBut me emotionally... 6ft is the magic number...


Eh not really. Being five ten and a half for example with sim sneakers will make you more of less 6ft. Once you’re 5’11 more or less that’s the magic number where your height makes you attractive . Because you’re moderately taller by a couple inches than the average

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Quote from: Activatedx on July 05, 2019, 08:30:26 PM
Oh No i didn’t mean I pity them for being shorter than me or being short, I pity that they have to go through immeasurable struggle to gain a few inches and still be a victim of societies merciless treatment and perspective. Breaking your legs to become 5’5 and they will still be alot under average. At least in my case I can reach the average or a  above it which is even better. In my fate I can escape it, in their case after two surgeries and countless pain and money spent they will still be considered short although to a much acceptable degree which is better I guess 


People say don’t care what other people think but height  is integrated in and embedded in our lives
It’s even worse that my families males are 6ft+ average and when I visit  they all blatantly rude and constantly make comments or statements. I’ll wear one inch lifts with some good sneakers to add a couple inches and they’ll openly make fun of my lifts in front of everyone in my family get together,
It’s all love and jokes  at the end of the day and they don’t take their comments seriously or think it offends me that much but it really does deeply, it makes you feel lesser of a person. So when I think about the   I go through at my height I pity what people a little under that have to go through because they get it even worse

I seriously think you should tell your relatives that their comments offend and hurt you. These comments are going to continue hurting and you will develop resentment over time, even if you manage to control it well. Communicating, especially in a rather close, intimate social circle is the best way. But not everyone has these kinds of families, believe it or not, some families treach every member with the respect they deserve. While heightism exists, not every short person suffers from it equally, and some people below average height have never experienced any form of serious discrimination. So in that sense, my statement "don't feel sorry for people for just being short" still applies.

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I think for those with height neurosis it's impossible to assess how much of it is in your head or a product of how society treats short men.

I wish people who had the surgery would take this into account.For example has the surgery simply made them more comfatable with themselves or do people genuinely treat them better?

Personally I think it would be a combination of the two, but for anyone undergoing the surgery it would be something interesting to bear in mind when telling us how the surgery has affected your life.

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Well average in Poland is somewhere 178cm, no more, no less. In UK it lies around 176cm.
People lying about their height so much or they don't know their exact height and add 3-5cm.
Example, husband of my cousin is 181-2, I'm 181 around and he claims to be 188, same with my cousins, 188 one claims 191, 184 claims 188, third cousin (girl) who is 170 at the dot claims 173-4. Next my friends, 167 guy claims 170, 173 claims 176 and I can describe stories like that till death, well being 181 I'm new 185 wow