Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery

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Quote from: Mime on October 19, 2013, 05:57:00 PMHello everybody. I'm new to this forum and quite happy there is no censorship like on old forum . By the way, if anybody still doesn't know: Apotheosis and Sysop are the same person. His name is Anderson and he is currently trying to lengthen his arms with Dr. Betz and having a lot of complications. Rumors are that Betz does the armlengthening for free to him, due to their business relationship.
As for the Betzbone nail, there exist several versions but none is as good as the Albizzia used to be. Since around 2011 Betz has no longer access to the Albizzia and is therefore using his patients as guinea pigs for his own developed nails.
The % of complications with Betz for Femur patients is currently around 30%. For Tibia it is even much worse. Dr. Betz is constantly lying to hs patients and actually gets very unfriendly if you ask too many questions. He is well protected by the rotten German law system, which is massively in favor of doctors.

Stay away from Dr.Betz, no matter which nail he uses.

Holy...seriously?

Sysop is a clear example of someone with extreme body dysmorphic disorder. I mean we all have it to some degree since we're on a forum for LLing, but this is going way overboard. He's already completely disregarded safety in how much he's allegedly lengthened already.

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Quote from: Mime on October 19, 2013, 05:57:00 PMHello everybody. I'm new to this forum and quite happy there is no censorship like on old forum . By the way, if anybody still doesn't know: Apotheosis and Sysop are the same person. His name is Anderson and he is currently trying to lengthen his arms with Dr. Betz and having a lot of complications. Rumors are that Betz does the armlengthening for free to him, due to their business relationship.
As for the Betzbone nail, there exist several versions but none is as good as the Albizzia used to be. Since around 2011 Betz has no longer access to the Albizzia and is therefore using his patients as guinea pigs for his own developed nails.
The % of complications with Betz for Femur patients is currently around 30%. For Tibia it is even much worse. Dr. Betz is constantly lying to hs patients and actually gets very unfriendly if you ask too many questions. He is well protected by the rotten German law system, which is massively in favor of doctors.

Stay away from Dr.Betz, no matter which nail he uses.

Hi Mime and welcome ! 

Is 'Anderson' his first name or last name? If you have any further information regarding him  pls PM me or 'Dameon' . We plan to expose him for illegal steering of innocent patients while pretending to be an objective administrator of the other site.

As for Betz, do you know of any patients who would be willing to come here and tell us what happened? Let me know

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Quote from: Mime on October 19, 2013, 05:57:00 PMHello everybody. I'm new to this forum and quite happy there is no censorship like on old forum . By the way, if anybody still doesn't know: Apotheosis and Sysop are the same person. His name is Anderson and he is currently trying to lengthen his arms with Dr. Betz and having a lot of complications. Rumors are that Betz does the armlengthening for free to him, due to their business relationship.
As for the Betzbone nail, there exist several versions but none is as good as the Albizzia used to be. Since around 2011 Betz has no longer access to the Albizzia and is therefore using his patients as guinea pigs for his own developed nails.
The % of complications with Betz for Femur patients is currently around 30%. For Tibia it is even much worse. Dr. Betz is constantly lying to hs patients and actually gets very unfriendly if you ask too many questions. He is well protected by the rotten German law system, which is massively in favor of doctors.

Stay away from Dr.Betz, no matter which nail he uses.

Thanks for coming here and telling us all this Mime.
But you would need to tell us how you found all this out too.
If you went as far as finding his name, your source of information is very important here.
Thank you

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I was told the new 20 click 11mm betzbone nail is supposed to be almost as strong as the old 15 click 13mm betzbone. Has anyone heard anything about the new 11mm betzbone nail bending or breaking?

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If you want to know whether Dr. Betz is reliable or not, ask these questions during your consultation.

There is no way anyone can get accurate facts about any doctor unless you gather all his previous patients(which is impossible)
Also being shown some patients who say good about the result should not add to the credibility of this doctor when you have a consultation. Bear this in mind.

You can decide it for yourself.

1. Tell him that you are recording this consultation just to be safe. (this is very important. imagine something happens later and you don't have a proof that you've been misled. And he should agree to this if not.... well.)

2. Ask him which company manufactures the Betzbone.(its name and location)
    a) its material
    b) whether it has any government-body approval on it or CE marking like Guichetbone
        U.S FDA approved Precice nail and its manufacturer is Ellipse technology(which you can google and find out)
                AND NOT about pending Patents. Pending patents does not mean it is medically safe. You can request patents for something that goes into iPhone.
    c) its weight bearing capacity and THE SOURCE OF that claim.(if he cites his own blah, ask for the documentation)
         also the extent of the weight bearing capacity.
3. The rate of complication for cosmetic limb lengthening by dr. Betz. Have it written down with his official signature.
    Bending, breakage. etc... also separate by categories 11mm,13mm , men or women, femur or tibia... with which nail, albizzia or betzbone...
    AND it does not matter if he says the reasons for most complications were due to the patients, if the number is high itself. that means he was not careful in satisfactorily informing the patients. (there is no way you can trust what I say but I second that claim the complication rate is closer to 30~40% for all his patients...)
    if he can't answer to #2, then this question about complication rate and official documentation shouldn't be a problem unless there IS a problem)

4. if you can speak German, ask around in the hopsital he practises, not the Komfort Clinic(it is not a medical clicnic but rather a private hotel with nurses equipped placed next to a real hospital). Well, if you can ask like five doctors, do it. also even if remotely related to orthopedics.

ASK THIS "IN YOUR OPINION, IS DR BETZ AN ETHICAL DOCTOR?".

they are on his payroll... so just watch their reaction. If Dr.Betz is a great doctor as is claimed by so many on the diary,  The reaction should be very uniformly warm and blah even though they do not agree with the idea of cosmetic limb lengthening.)


It is a big surgery and if he does not want to give you satisfactory asnwers... for that matter any doctors doing this procedure, just skip that doctor. The doctors should have no problem giving you asnwers unless he wants to hide something.

Also if you have the money to do internals with DR.Betz, surely you can afford Dr. Guichet or even DR.Paley. I can't say which one is an ethical doctor but please do have consultations with all of them. And also dont forget to ask whether prospective doctor has treated any complication case from other doctors(also details about them)


Best wishes.

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Quote from: randoma on October 20, 2013, 02:40:56 PM    AND it does not matter if he says the reasons for most complications were due to the patients, if the number is high itself. that means he was not careful in satisfactorily informing the patients. (there is no way you can trust what I say but I second that claim the complication rate is closer to 30~40% for all his patients...)

Actually, I think it does matter if the reasons for most complications were due to patient stupidity.  I was in Beijing during the height of its popularity as a clinic.  We had between 20 and 30 foreign patients there at any given time as vets finished and newbies arrived.  I couldn't believe some of the stupid sh*t I saw people doing there.  A guy walking all around the whole place, without crutches, ONE DAY after his frame removal/IM nail fixation when the doctors told him to stay in bed for one week and only walk to the toilet with the nurse's help.  A really petite girl turning 1.3mm a day when she was already past 7cm and having pain/mobility problems, when the doctors told her to turn no more than .67mm a day because they were worried she'd snap one of her tiny tendons.  So yeah, 30% patient-induced complications sounds about right to me.

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radoma, but I'm afraid many famous doctors are arrogant. Even if they're legit, they'll think we're questioning their integrity.
I don't know what the situation with LL is,  though.
Apparently with Dr. Guichet, _you_ have to convince him to do LL on you. Can you ask him such questions then? What if he says, "if you don't trust your doctor, you shouldn't be doing this".

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Quote from: bob101 on October 20, 2013, 02:06:42 AMI was told the new 20 click 11mm betzbone nail is supposed to be almost as strong as the old 15 click 13mm betzbone. Has anyone heard anything about the new 11mm betzbone nail bending or breaking?

Hi Bob,

 I know a bunch of people where it bent and 1 guy where it broke. The new 11mm nail seems be prone to bend quickly, after clicking a few cm. Anyway, the comparison is the typical kind of Bull  Betz is telling his patients. You can be sure that no Betzbone is as strong as the Albizzia. Most successful diaries With Betz are from the time he still had the Albizzia. Most new diaries end abruptly. I don't believe e.g. that Stillyoung wrote the last post in his diary. Letsgettaller also went quiet. Even Sysopeosis bent his Betzbone nails. All nails developed by Betz are non-weightbearing. He simply advertises them as weightbearing because the German law makes it easy for him to get away with.

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Quote from: Mime on October 20, 2013, 07:53:54 PMHi Bob,

 I know a bunch of people where it bent and 1 guy where it broke. The new 11mm nail seems be prone to bend quickly, after clicking a few cm. Anyway, the comparison is the typical kind of Bull  Betz is telling his patients. You can be sure that no Betzbone is as strong as the Albizzia. Most successful diaries With Betz are from the time he still had the Albizzia. Most new diaries end abruptly. I don't believe e.g. that Stillyoung wrote the last post in his diary. Letsgettaller also went quiet. Even Sysopeosis bent his Betzbone nails. All nails developed by Betz are non-weightbearing. He simply advertises them as weightbearing because the German law makes it easy for him to get away with.

I like smart posts like this. very helpful to most of us out there who wonder what is really going.

still young used to post every day and all of a sudden he disappears!
That got me worried but bow that you have pointed out other bets patient who appeared to have suffered he same fate The PICTURE is now much clearer.

only a few bad posts about the betz nail are posted to ensure the majority of the posts paint a very good picture about the nail.
 This is so sad because when those nails break you have to spend another fotune for those titanium rods. how sad!
But guess what, those replacement nails  mean betz can perform another sugery at ur expense = betz making extra cash!!!

There are so many crooks out there!!!!   

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Mime, I hope you didn't miss my post.
May I ask you what your source of information about SysOp's real name and arm-lengthening odyssey is?