I'm currently living the same country in which he performs the surgery and obviously he's one of the cheapest options; but I keep hearing all sorts about the death of this one patient.
As far as I can tell, the person sadly died of fat embolism seven days after surgery, and no one seems to be able to deduce whether it was the fault of the surgeon or just a total fluke -- that incredibly rare scenario we've all heard about that can happen with any surgeon.
I'm wanting to do Tibias. Haven't decided whether LON or internal yet. I'm currently 5'8.6, and would like to gain 5cm (though I'd be interesting in discussing if 6cm is a possibility as that would get me to pretty much 5'11).
I don't know if the fat embolism risk is more a thing with internal femurs -- perhaps my risk would be less doing LON and tibias? But regardless, the one very sad incident is a fly in the ointment for someone I'd otherwise be very confident going with. I've had the initial free consultation and did warm to the doctor.
Can anyone shed any light on anything regarding the above? Many thanks!
Dr. Giotikas seems like the best option for me, but I'm concerned
Quote from: LG1816 on April 23, 2023, 07:43:04 PMI'm currently living the same country in which he performs the surgery and obviously he's one of the cheapest options; but I keep hearing all sorts about the death of this one patient.
As far as I can tell, the person sadly died of fat embolism seven days after surgery, and no one seems to be able to deduce whether it was the fault of the surgeon or just a total fluke -- that incredibly rare scenario we've all heard about that can happen with any surgeon.
I'm wanting to do Tibias. Haven't decided whether LON or internal yet. I'm currently 5'8.6, and would like to gain 5cm (though I'd be interesting in discussing if 6cm is a possibility as that would get me to pretty much 5'11).
I don't know if the fat embolism risk is more a thing with internal femurs -- perhaps my risk would be less doing LON and tibias? But regardless, the one very sad incident is a fly in the ointment for someone I'd otherwise be very confident going with. I've had the initial free consultation and did warm to the doctor.
Can anyone shed any light on anything regarding the above? Many thanks!
Normally, a good doctor keeps you in the hospital for seven days to monitor your blood oxygen levels. Do you know when this guy was discharged from hospital? Was he a high risk patient, e.g. obese, smoker etc?
Would appreciate any input.
I have no idea, nobody seems to have much info on the case!
Quote from: LG1816 on April 23, 2023, 08:23:02 PMI have no idea, nobody seems to have much info on the case!
Do you have the balls to ask him those questions?
See this thread: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=81316.0
This was a part of my comment and my respons:
As he states, some higher law inforcement agency (don't know the correct term lol) actually checked the situation following up the incident and came to the conclusion that this wasn't his or his teams fault, but simply happened even tho all safety precautions was taken. This has also happened to alot of other surgeons, but many of them just ain't gonna be honest about it, and that is even worse. Espically surgeons in Turkey and India. It's a part of this surgery that your're running a extremely low risk of dying and Dr G even points this out before surgery, not like many other crap surgeons who never openly talks about potiential complications and the risk here of.
Good luck finding a surgeon with more experience, who is more honest and is taking more precautions by doing things in a certain way to avoid complications, for a better more reasonable price than dr Giotikas in Europe. It ain't gonna happen at least for now...
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I have researched the surgery for about a 1 year now, before I made this account, and what I came to discover was the last part of the comment. Whatever you choose avoid going to turkey and India! So many terrible outcomes and cases, it's like gambling with your legs. Don't believe me then read the multiple diarys from turkey on this forum. You can also find them in the links I provided.
And regarding LON method it is a lot more risky and unsafe and pretty much every single western doctor doesn't perform this and can't recommend doing it. See this thread as evidence:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=82502.0
He talks more about about the incident here: - 32:45
So to clarify according to Athens BJR as you can see in the thread I linked to, the chances of you developing this kind of deadly complication is 1/9000 people. Like I mentioned, you also got to remember that this much more likely if your a smoker according to Paley who is the most experienced surgeon in this field. He also had 4 incidents and all of them were smokers...
Quote from: Limbfan2020 on April 23, 2023, 08:42:06 PMDo you have the balls to ask him those questions?
I'll most definitely ask him if I have a full consultation with him.
Quote from: DanishViking on April 23, 2023, 08:43:56 PMSee this thread: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=81316.0
This was a part of my comment and my respons:
As he states, some higher law inforcement agency (don't know the correct term lol) actually checked the situation following up the incident and came to the conclusion that this wasn't his or his teams fault, but simply happened even tho all safety precautions was taken. This has also happened to alot of other surgeons, but many of them just ain't gonna be honest about it, and that is even worse. Espically surgeons in Turkey and India. It's a part of this surgery that your're running a extremely low risk of dying and Dr G even points this out before surgery, not like many other crap surgeons who never openly talks about potiential complications and the risk here of.
Good luck finding a surgeon with more experience, who is more honest and is taking more precautions by doing things in a certain way to avoid complications, for a better more reasonable price than dr Giotikas in Europe. It ain't gonna happen at least for now...
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I have researched the surgery for about a 1 year now, before I made this account, and what I came to discover was the last part of the comment. Whatever you choose avoid going to turkey and India! So many terrible outcomes and cases, it's like gambling with your legs. Don't believe me then read the multiple diarys from turkey on this forum. You can also find them in the links I provided.
Good post, thank you. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks for linking the interview below, I'll give that a watch through.
@DanishViking
Quote from: DanishViking on April 23, 2023, 08:43:56 PMGood luck finding a surgeon with more experience, who is more honest and is taking more precautions by doing things in a certain way to avoid complications, for a better more reasonable price than dr Giotikas in Europe. It ain't gonna happen at least for now...
You wrote the same article in different posts...
Quote from: DanishViking on April 08, 2023, 08:33:26 PMGood luck finding a surgeon with more experience, who is more honest and is taking more precautions by doing things in a certain way to avoid complications, for a better more reasonable price than dr Giotikas in Europe. It ain't gonna happen at least for now...
Another one of the same.
Quote from: DanishViking on March 30, 2023, 06:56:29 PMThe best bang for your buck is Dr. Giotikas in Greece. He has decades of experience, does the operations in a certain way to minimize complications and has really affordable prices.
And no I'm not sponsered by him LMAO. I have just done more than a year of research on this topic, and the best option in Europe for the money is him. I'm going to do G-nail Femurs or Stryde presumed it's out again, when I have enough money.
It's very clear and obvious that you don't sponsored it.
Quote from: DanishViking on February 03, 2023, 01:35:10 PMI think you should go for Giotikas. He seems to have the most experience compared to the price you pay, and can offer G-nail which is weightbearing, that can make the journey much easier!
Quote from: DanishViking on March 16, 2023, 06:29:47 PMBut maybe you can do G-nail with Doctor Giotikas? It is also weight bearing!
Quote from: DanishViking on March 22, 2023, 12:55:10 PMwill go with dr. Giotikas in the future when I have enough money cuz he has decades of experience and have the best price to value ratio.
Quote from: DanishViking on April 05, 2023, 06:52:30 PMEspically if you go to cheap surgeons in turkey. If you want the best bang for your buck in EU you should go with Dr giotikas in Greece. He have decades of experience, does thing in a certain way to avoid complications and Doesn't lengthen by using risky methods!
In all your posts you tell people not to go to Turkey and surgeons there. It's a bit like a customer fight. I am a person who hates Turkish butchers, but success rates are much higher than gliokas. Patients with mere butcher dr Halil buldu are x5 times that of patients with giotikas. Also, while there are many companies in Turkey, very few in Greece. If we look at the death and disability rate, even the butcher dr Halil has a higher success rate. Also, there are no deaths. You can have surgery to the doctor you want, and you can create a diary here. But you don't have the authority to tell people which doctor to go to and which method to have surgery. The only example you gave with Turkey is dr Halil buldu diaries in this forum or those who went to butchers like Dr Yuksel Yurttas diaries and became disabled. There are a lot of people on this forum who don't get crippled by not posting a diary. These are not proofs. We are also sorry that people who died after surgery to dr giotikas could not create a diary. Also what you said about the lon method makes me laugh. You write things like don't be a lon to people and you don't even have proof. Your only proof is 1-2 diaries or theses. G-nail / precice2 whatever can't carry 100% weight. Most people are afraid that it will break when weight, and it means wasting your money. Also, the risk of bone infection is the same with lon. (I'm not talking about surface and pin root infections) So the fact that the lon method is 0.6 more risky doesn't change anything. Also, if giotikas was doing lon, you would defend it. He just wants to make more money, that's all. Also, don't generalize. "All western surgeons say so" "not all western surgeons recommend lon" How many western surgeons do you know? How many of them don't recommend lon? How many thousands of doctors in Europe and how many of them do not recommend lon? 5 of them? All you're doing is generalizing and giving people false information. You are poisoning people with false information. I understand you want to advertise your doctor giotikas or or you asked him to give you a discount on the surgery but false information is very dangerous. Do not do this. Don't talk about things you don't know.
Doctors and companies to avoid
1- Athensbjr - Giotikas
2- Livelifetaller - Halil buldu - Sedat
3- Wannabetaller - Yunus
4- Yuksel Yurttas
5- Limblengthening-center - Serkan Gurcan
6- Lengthening Turkey - Fatih arslanoglu
7- AFA - Mustafa uysal
8- Stay away from countries like egypt - iran - india - greece - armenia - russia
I can't take you seriously with the lies you shell out. Infection risk is much much higher with LON and precice 2 isn't weight bearing but will not break easily. Give me some evidence or sources? You can't cuz pretty much all you wrote were lies and conspiracy theories... There is more bad surgeons in turkey and india than good, so you might as well just skip the 2 countries to be safe... And if I was sponsered by Dr Giotikas, I wouldn't even be on this forum lol. And no I don't see Dr G as a god like paley basically is cuz he is the guy with the most experience in the world doing this. But he is in my opinion the best value experienced doctor for the money in Europe.
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