Dr Jamal A. Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) 2016 Update

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 if you look very closely, they don't. I am out of proportion, there is no doubt about it. Maybe the photos show it in a kind light, but it's ok cos I'd rather be taller. I didn't have overly short femurs previously. Maybe a little, I don't know, but the doctors at pre-op stage did not think so.
People will not notice unless I tell them. I worked in the corporate environment for many years and no one ever suspected anything.
Right after lengthening, it may have been a lot more obvious as your legs lose a lot of mass, but with time and exercise as you bulk up again, the body adapts and you fill up in such a way as to look more in proportion.

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Dr Jamal has asked me to update his information on here. 

Website link above is out of date. Actual website is:

http://www.correction.kiev.ua

You can see my before and after photos and xrays here:

http://www.correction.kiev.ua/news/patient5.htm

Latest price for 2018 is:
Femurs: USD 47,700 (€41,327) for standard 7cm. Each extra cm is USD 3000 (€2600). Room and board is additional USD 1000 (€866) per month. This includes maid service, all food cooked and prepared, apartment cleaned. Massages, hot baths, help with daily activities if needed.

Tibias: USD 48,800 (€42,280) for standard 5cm. Each extra cm is USD 3000 (€2600). Room and board is additional USD 1000 (€866) per month. This includes maid service, all food cooked and prepared, apartment cleaned. Massages, hot baths, help with daily activities if needed.

Prices are in US dollars. Exchange rate at time of writing: $1 = €0.87

Under patient experiences, there is myself and Rocky.  I did mine 14 years don't forget and Rocky has just come to the end of his LL journey (at the time of writing) and starting his recovery.  Links to diaries below. Regarding the negative information about Dr Jamal, I will say this: Some patients were too old or lazy, smokers, bad eaters...  You can be older, but you must still be pretty fit and healthy.  As I've said previously, the doctor will operate on you and break your bones, but it is UP TO YOU to heal, grow and recover. It is not fair to blame the doctor if you are lazy.

My diary:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9000.0

More photos here:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9023.0

Rocky's diary:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5395.0

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41k euros for a very old nail in a very poor country like Ukraine (where average salary is not more than 250 euros per month!) are way too expensive.
Even if Nemer is a capable doctor (something I don't know) he is still too expensive considering the nail he uses and the country he operates.
Also, the 3000 extra cost for every cm more than 7 seems  ridiculous to me.

Anyway, at the moment there are doctors in west countries that operate with even less money with precise 2 (like Giotikas), I can't see why someone would go to Ukraine and Nemer. But that is just my opinion.

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@ Bodybuilder, FYI the nail is one of the best out there. It is an evolution of the original and pioneering nail developed by Prof Bliskunov. Ukraine may be a poor country but you get treated to western standards here. And you get to stay in modern accommodation. The 7cm is offered as standard because that is what most patients can and should accomplish within a time-frame of 3 months without too much bother.  Extra cm means more time and resources are needed.
Of course everyone is free to chose their own doctor and location, but I would say for a solid internal method like Jamal's, it still represents good value.

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Bodybuilder is right. 47k for femur with an old-tech nail is way too much. Especially in a country like Ukraine which is poorest of the european countries.

@moderators of this site, you may be looking into taller_in_kiev shilling for Dr. Jamal. This forum is supposed to be neutral yet we have taller_in_kiev who has written that he has now moved to live in Kiev and probably has a business arrangement with this doctor.

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Lol you're so funny. Dr Jamal is a friend, you might note he doesn't have any fancy marketing behind him. As a former  patient with a good result, I can vouch for him. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you or bodybuilder feel he's too expensive, fine, go somewhere else, go to India for all I care. As a professional, he is entitled to set his own price, doesn't matter where in the world he's based or what the average wage is.
He doesn't need to justify it to people like you.

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Quote from: tlannister on August 06, 2018, 03:38:08 PMBodybuilder is right. 47k for femur with an old-tech nail is way too much. Especially in a country like Ukraine which is poorest of the european countries.

@moderators of this site, you may be looking into taller_in_kiev shilling for Dr. Jamal. This forum is supposed to be neutral yet we have taller_in_kiev who has written that he has now moved to live in Kiev and probably has a business arrangement with this doctor.

There's no way to know if he is promoter. This a problem for forums like this. They're full of promoters and they're difficult to detect. How do you know if he's a helpful patient or a paid promoter? In the case of Monegal I know Cinderella is a FAKE but for Jamal we don't know.

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Quote from: notatroll on August 06, 2018, 07:56:16 PMThere's no way to know if he is promoter. This a problem for forums like this. They're full of promoters and they're difficult to detect. How do you know if he's a helpful patient or a paid promoter? In the case of Monegal I know Cinderella is a FAKE but for Jamal we don't know.

Hi,

the problem is not that he is expensive for me. But he is too expensive for the nail he offers. Its not worth it. That was my point.

I am not going to india and get butchered. Its gonna be a US surgeon or birkholtz/donghoon and only precice.

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Quote from: tlannister on August 06, 2018, 08:31:24 PMHi,

the problem is not that he is expensive for me. But he is too expensive for the nail he offers. Its not worth it. That was my point.

I am not going to india and get butchered. Its gonna be a US surgeon or birkholtz/donghoon and only precice.

What would you say are the main drawbacks of his nail?. Isn't it full weight bearing, so that's a good thing.

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Quote from: tlannister on August 06, 2018, 08:31:24 PMHi,

the problem is not that he is expensive for me. But he is too expensive for the nail he offers. Its not worth it. That was my point.

I am not going to india and get butchered. Its gonna be a US surgeon or birkholtz/donghoon and only precice.

tlannister, you are a little pathetic, i am sorry to say. You and bodybuilder both. If anyone is a promoter on here, I'd say it was you with your precise (or perhaps not so precise) and name dropping of doctors. You claim Dr Jamal's nail is cheap? What, you have a price list of all the nails on the market? If so, please share with the rest of us and back up your claim.
I would argue the nail is a relatively small cost of the overall surgery cost, rendering your argument null and void. And in case you didn't know, you don't get to keep the nail as a souvenir after your surgery, not with Dr Jamal anyway. Maybe with your precise doctor.  If so, I'm sure you could flog it on eBay)) someone might just be thinking of a DIY LL job out there) Yeh, never mind the LL result lol, be happy that you got "an expensive nail" out of it!
A nail should be judged on it's merits and track record. The Jamal nail, an evolved version of the original and pioneering Bliskunov nail is fully weight bearing, made of bio-compatible titanium, has a simple clicking mechanism, no magnets or electronics and has an excellent track record. I am not aware of any other nail on the market offering any significant advantages over it.
If you want to promote your precise and/or any particular doctors, I have no problem with that, but please do it on your own thread instead of littering other people's pages with nonsense comments. 
Also for the record, I have not moved to Kiev permanently. I may be here for a few more weeks and while I am here, I am happy to offer my mentoring and support to any potential LL'ers wanting to come here.  Wishing you well on your LL journey and life.