Hi folks. I am seriously thinking about Dr Jamal and guichet but with Dr jamal mainly due to weight bearing and jamal titanium rods. I see Emanuel has not recovered and had a number of complications during lengthening requiring more surgery. Eg premature consolidation. Now I see another patient has spent almost two months post surgery with almost no distraction, now the clicker has come out and again needs another surgery and this is only start of process. Dr Jamal sounds caring but I worry with all these complications I hear about. Is this problem with nail, Dr, individual Looking for opinions before I decide surgery in few months.
Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
Dr. Jamal seems like a very caring doctor but I would not choose him under the current circumstances of his patients' diaries. If you can afford a doctor like Guichet, you should go with him.
Being a caring doctor is definitely a plus, but should not be the top reason why you're choosing one.
He must deliver the best results too.
Quote from: mission on March 10, 2014, 10:34:44 PMHi folks. I am seriously thinking about Dr Jamal and guichet but with Dr jamal mainly due to weight bearing and jamal titanium rods. I see Emanuel has not recovered and had a number of complications during lengthening requiring more surgery. Eg premature consolidation. Now I see another patient has spent almost two months post surgery with almost no distraction, now the clicker has come out and again needs another surgery and this is only start of process. Dr Jamal sounds caring but I worry with all these complications I hear about. Is this problem with nail, Dr, individual Looking for opinions before I decide surgery in few months.
I can afford Guichet but the problem is the lack of reply. His assistant takes two weeks to reply to simple questions. I have written personal email to him with no reply for 3 weeks. Based on the last reply from his assistant, he is not prepared to do consult then surgery in one period. He expects me to travel to Italy for 30 hours, have two hour consult and then fly back 30 hours. This is crazy. I would much prefer I go for consult, he says "look you will only be able to lengthen 3cm based on your physiology and lack of flexibility. I can book you in two weeks for surgery". This would be better option for me. But he simply flat out refuses through this approach through his assistant. I do not know if she even discusses with him or screens emails and replies herself. So of course I want surgery soon and I'm not waiting or waisting time and money to fly for a 2 hour consult. I am ready right now financially, I am ready from an Isokinetic results perspective, I am ready mentally and I am ready with work. The timing is perfect. I am physically extremely fit and healthy. If my flexibility is not great then this is my problem and will limit how much I can lengthen. There is of course the option to do intense physio during lengthening but as I said I can't even get through. If someone knows and can help in getting in touch with him to make things happen then I would greatly appreciate it. I have a very small window due to work and personal committments to make things happen
I think the best option for you would be Dr.Betz.
"The total cost of the lengthening program since May 2013 takes into account a stay of a patient in the Ukraine for three months. 90-100 days - this is the time period for conducting a surgery and lengthening of femurs or tibias to the optimum length."
Hi,
I'm not sure if I read this incorrectly, but wouldn't the above statement suggest that the package price includes accommodations or "a stay" in the Ukraine for three months or "90 - 100 days"?
It certainly seems to suggest that, although later in the post he says you have to rent an apartment. I think it's worth asking him for clarification on that.
Quote from: LifesTooShort on April 11, 2014, 10:48:44 AM"The total cost of the lengthening program since May 2013 takes into account a stay of a patient in the Ukraine for three months. 90-100 days - this is the time period for conducting a surgery and lengthening of femurs or tibias to the optimum length."
Hi,
I'm not sure if I read this incorrectly, but wouldn't the above statement suggest that the package price includes accommodations or "a stay" in the Ukraine for three months or "90 - 100 days"?
you have to rent an apartment and the package price is not cover that
here is a least details version of his cost..
The total cost of the lengthening program since 2014 takes into account a stay of a patient in the Ukraine for three months. 90-100 days - this is the time period for conducting a surgery and lengthening of femurs or tibias to the optimum length. The optimum length refers to the lengthening when muscles, tendons, and nerves are adapted sufficiently well to the new state of tension. It is 7.0 cm for femurs and 4.5-5.0 cm for tibias. The total cost of the lengthening program (TCLP) is 31 500,00 EUR ( for femurs /hips/) and 33 500 EUR (for tibias /shanks/). (Lengthening more than the optimum length increases the time period of lengthening and restoration. In this case it is necessary to adjust additional costs of the program of lengthening.)
This cost includes the cost of surgeries and a stay of a patient in hospital for the necessary term (as a rule 2-3 days), and also the cost of a surgery and a stay in hospital for the removal of devices (in 1 - 1.5 years after the beginning of lengthening).
The cost of the lease of apartments during the stay for the period of the lengthening is not includes in TCLP. Assistant can help to lease suitable apartment. /Cost of comfortable apartments is around 1000 EUR per month. Additional costs may be associated with a broker service for searching for an apartment - usually half the monthly cost, single payment/. Choice is better to do together among prepared options. It will take 1-2 days, as a rule.
Assistant on duty can be present in the apartments around the clock, if it is necessary.
The first day (of the three months period) begins with the first day in the hospital.
During the period of stay out of the hospital, a patient receives medical services, the cost of which is included in the TCLP. Medical services consist of the doctor's visits, the necessary physiotherapy, massages (total 60 sessions of intensive lower limbs massage), the necessary medicines, test x-rays. During the three months stay a patient is provided with meals based on the agreed upon menu (preference in the food). The cost of food (products) is not included in the TCLP. Assistants can assist in purchase of products. Patient can visit supermarkets together with assistant for choice and purchase of products. Maintenance (household) services consist of laundry, cleaning, cooking. The cost of Assistant’s service /maintenance services/ (daily 25 -30 EUR) is not included in the TCLP.
The international telephone calls and high-speed internet access are not included in the TCLP. TCLP does not change if the patient leaves Ukraine before the end of a three months term. TCLP remains to be invariable for all sizes of lengthening within the optimum lengths. Patient can lease an apartment and organize the necessary maintenance services by him/herself.
Payments are made in instalments by transfer of funds from the customer's bank’s account to the bank’s account in accordance with the instructions. Payments can be made in another currency based on the current rate of exchange. (All bank charges are born by the sender/customer). Payments can be made in parts as agreed.
When the date of arrival and the date of operation is confirmed and agreed upon the prepayment in the amount of 4 000,00 EUR must be made. This guarantee sum will not be refunded and will not be counted towards further payments if a patient cancels or changes the assigned date of arrival. This requirement is based on the fact that the preparation at the beginning of the lengthening program is connected with the specific expenditures (production of devices, etc.).
The sum 26 500,00 EUR (femurs) or 28 500,00 EUR (tibias) must be paid for 1 week after implantation of devices . The remainder of the TCLP 1 000,00 EUR is transferred in 1.5-2 years, 30 days prior to arrival for the removal of the devices.
The program of a stage-by-stage lengthening of hips (both femurs) and shanks (both tibias) during one stay in Ukraine takes up to 7,0 - 7.5 months. The optimum size of lengthening during this term is 11.5-12cm (7cm for femurs and 4.5-5 cm for tibias). TCLP for such program is 65 000,00 EUR. The advance payment (deposit) is 7 000,00 EUR.
40 000,00 EUR must be paid for 10 days after the implantation of devices in the first two legs segments.
16 000,00 EUR must be paid for 10 days after the implantation in the second two legs segments.
The rest of TCLP 2 000,00 EUR must be paid for 30 days prior to the arrival for removal of all devices.
This has a much greater sense of clarity. Thank you for this.
So does that mean a person can do both femurs and tibias one after the other in one visit with Dr Jamal?
Interesting
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