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Posted on Nov 23, 2017, 3:51 pm
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Quote from: myloginacct on November 23, 2017, 03:12:01 PMItaly has a high number of scientific Nobel laureates per capita, so I think that's an unfair judgement. It's a developed EU country which gifted us many great minds.

With that said, can you tell me where I could find Paley's opinion on ATL? That sounds like a great read.


See dude, at the end it is your decision - if you trust Pili and Catagni so much go with them. does not matter if Italy has high no. of nobel laureates per capita, so does Israel, poland etc. we are talking about a survey/study that is directly correlated to cosmetic limb lengthening, it is not a study from a high level research university, so don't compare apples with oranges. Also, it is impossible that the Italian doctors are right and all other are wrong, because only they are making tibia lengthening synonymous with tibia enthening + ATL. medial practitioners is US and UK earn so much that they do not have any incentive to fudge data to get business, they are rich without working hard, Italy (in my opinion) is a poor country (debatable I know but I think it is a poor country, and a second world country if not third world. dont get confused by GDP per capita, Czech Republic has a high GDP per cpaita but go there and see what real situation is - even China and India have better living standards. Russia has higher gdp pr capita than China an dmuch higher than India but in truth you will see living standards are higher in China and India. Doctors in India earn many times more than in Russia, not even close) and medical profession does not pay as much, there is huge incentive to lie/fudge and the work and educational standards in many of these european countries are pathetic to say the least. All the Indians who earn their medical degrees from top institutes in Russia an Italy etc. fail to clear the basic practitioners' test in India, so there goes the standard of education in european countries, very low. And my personal opinion on the moral and educational standards in (current day) italy is not very high. You can contact Paley directly from his paley institute website.

As I said - at the end it is your decision, your legs, hear all opinions but go by your gut feeling, you will be much happier. I do not want to confuse you. If you believe Catagni is the right choice for you go for it. I personally have decided that Pili or Ctagani are not those that I would trust to get my LL with. All the best.

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Posted on Nov 23, 2017, 3:58 pm
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And before anybody tries to correct me - I know Russia is not technically in europe, I am just making a point.

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Posted on Nov 23, 2017, 5:58 pm
#23

QuoteAlso, it is impossible that the Italian doctors are right and all other are wrong


I wasn't really trying to make any point like that. I just thought your description of Italy was a bit on the unfair side. I don't mean to say it's a country without problems.

I also don't have a set opinion on ATL or the doctors, which is why I'm asking these questions, doing research, etc.

QuoteYou can contact Paley directly from his paley institute website.


Thank you. I'll see what I can find about ATL.

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Posted on Nov 24, 2017, 5:21 am
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Quote from: Overdozer on October 01, 2017, 10:49:16 PMLON-LATN - doesn't guarantee good bone/knee alignment + can't fix initial x-legs or o-legs. Plus additional surgeries, expense and trauma from the nail rimming, risk of permament knee pain. IMO don't.

Whatever you do when externally lengthening make sure the doctor uses hexapod-like device. It is the only thing that can fix any created during the lengthening misalignment of the bone and also fix knee alignment.


LON can fix x-legs/o-legs but the surgeon must add-on a ring to the frame. Lots of LON patients had their x-legs fixed successfully. Course, a hexapod is less invasive and shorter,more flexible but that is rarely used for cosmetic purposes.

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Posted on Nov 24, 2017, 6:05 am
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Quote from: prakash419 on November 22, 2017, 08:38:50 PMI never thought about Catagni (have heard the name but dont have much info) and I heard some really bad things about Pili (from his former patients, though personal messages) - so I dropped him from list.

Which are the bad things about Pillo you heard?

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Posted on Nov 24, 2017, 6:19 am
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Its not ground breaking that external is better than lon or latn, but the thing is if the time you have to be in those frames are worth it in your opinion.

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Posted on Nov 24, 2017, 9:22 pm
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So... getting back on-topic: are all Ilizarov apparatuses hexapods? Or are them only a few specific models?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilizarov_apparatus

I can't find any info on that...

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Posted on Nov 25, 2017, 2:33 am
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Quote from: myloginacct on November 24, 2017, 09:22:11 PMSo... getting back on-topic: are all Ilizarov apparatuses hexapods? Or are them only a few specific models?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilizarov_apparatus

I can't find any info on that...


Good question, I have the same question, would be thankful if somebody explains here.

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