Quote from: Purushrottam on March 31, 2018, 07:26:01 PMYeah just heard back. They don't have any aches/pains. I should add that even though they were older (40s), their flexibility came back much earlier than mine did. It's because they stretched more. I had faster bone recovery.
Mini Update:
I just ran .27 miles in 2 minutes w.o stopping. That's 7:50 mile pace. I stopped because I was out of breath, not because of pain in my legs. I thought Iwas jogging slowly but I suppose the longer legs give you a slight speed bonus. That same pace felt like what 8:40 used to feel like pre LL. About to hit the gym for 2 hours.
Thank you for checking with them, I appreciate it. That is very good to hear. Like I said, my legs feel like they just won't stretch anymore. Very tough last phase.
Glad to hear your running has improved so much!! Must feel good.
Femoral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Quote from: Purushrottam on March 30, 2018, 02:50:25 AMThanks! Thats good to hear! When were you able to do squats unassisted? Was there any workout you did to improve your squats (other than doing squats..lol)? How much do you squat/leg press now vs pre LL?
Thought I’d reply to this, even though you said you read my diary, just to give you a bit more info.
I was technically able to squat aince January, which was about 2 months after i started walking. The squats were really difficult though, my quads were tight and even doing the bar was hard. To build strength, I did 5 sets of 10 reps of leg press starting with an empty sled and then moving up 5 lbs every session. Eventually I got to 25 lbs plates on each side, which is when I moved on to squats.
In order to squat properly, I have to take a much wider stance than normal and point my legs outward to “trick” them into thinking theyre shorter. Look up how to squat with long femurs to see what i mean. I also wear lifting shoes with a heel, because ankle flexibility is poor after surgery. Stretching your quads is also super important, and 90% of the time my first set of squats feels very weird - super limited range of motion. But the second set always feels good, and so do the rest. You might feel better than me though since you did lengthen less.
For reference:
~300 lbs Leg Press pre-LL, currently ~150 lbs post LL (after 2 months)
205 lbs squat pre-LL, currently 105 lbs post LL (after 1 month, but after stengthening first from leg press)
Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions, i’ll be keeping an eye on your diary!
Quote from: FormerKidd on April 02, 2018, 11:39:53 PMHey Puru,
Following in your footsteps, I had my surgery a few weeks ago. You might be a cm or two taller than I was, but I may stop at around 6.5 as well.
Did you have any swelling or tightness in your knees? These have been my problems, but I don't recall seeing that mentioned in any of the diaries.
Nice! Hope you are well so far. I am not sure if I can describe what I had as swelling. When you lengthen, your femurs push into your knees, making them very sensitive and vulnerable. I had some occasional sharp pain near my knees but it turned out that was nerve pain from my skin stretching. I didn't have any particular tightness in my knees. I was able to bend my legs past 90 degrees for most of my journey.
Quote from: LAGrowin on April 03, 2018, 05:09:02 AMThank you for checking with them, I appreciate it. That is very good to hear. Like I said, my legs feel like they just won't stretch anymore. Very tough last phase.
Glad to hear your running has improved so much!! Must feel good.
No problem, LAGrowin! Yeah push thru! Its short term pain thats totally worth it in the end. I forgot to add one of the patients (40s) that got surgery on the same day as I did is playing soccer now.
Quote from: Brb6ftTall on April 03, 2018, 09:19:13 AMThought I’d reply to this, even though you said you read my diary, just to give you a bit more info.
I was technically able to squat aince January, which was about 2 months after i started walking. The squats were really difficult though, my quads were tight and even doing the bar was hard. To build strength, I did 5 sets of 10 reps of leg press starting with an empty sled and then moving up 5 lbs every session. Eventually I got to 25 lbs plates on each side, which is when I moved on to squats.
In order to squat properly, I have to take a much wider stance than normal and point my legs outward to “trick” them into thinking theyre shorter. Look up how to squat with long femurs to see what i mean. I also wear lifting shoes with a heel, because ankle flexibility is poor after surgery. Stretching your quads is also super important, and 90% of the time my first set of squats feels very weird - super limited range of motion. But the second set always feels good, and so do the rest. You might feel better than me though since you did lengthen less.
For reference:
~300 lbs Leg Press pre-LL, currently ~150 lbs post LL (after 2 months)
205 lbs squat pre-LL, currently 105 lbs post LL (after 1 month, but after stengthening first from leg press)
Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions, i’ll be keeping an eye on your diary!
Thanks for answering! Wow I am doing something similar. However I am doing 4 x 10 on the legpress with 2 plates (45 + 45). I still don't have the strength to do an unassisted squat. It might be because I have a really heavy torso. I will try your suggestion. My quad flexibility is still pretty low though but its improving.
Small, minor update:
I jogged .4 miles yesterday at an 8:50 pace. No pain, just out of breath. I think the weaker/longer muscles require greater exertion vs before.
Still can't squat unassisted.
I'm not sure if these incremental updates are useful or not.
I just noticed something really weird. I was walking down the sidewalk the other day. A large group of people were coming my way. Right as I noticed them, I was about to move out of the way. By the time I started, they all moved out of the way to make room for me. I was completely shocked. I was used to moving out of the way of people. I had to override my subconscious reaction of moving out of the way. Sometimes I would forget.
After that I noticed more and more that people were getting out of my way on the sidewalk. This did not happen before LL. Maybe I'm reading a bit too much into it.
Quote from: Purushrottam on April 09, 2018, 04:10:13 AMI just noticed something really weird. I was walking down the sidewalk the other day. A large group of people were coming my way. Right as I noticed them, I was about to move out of the way. By the time I started, they all moved out of the way to make room for me. I was completely shocked. I was used to moving out of the way of people. I had to override my subconscious reaction of moving out of the way. Sometimes I would forget.
After that I noticed more and more that people were getting out of my way on the sidewalk. This did not happen before LL. Maybe I'm reading a bit too much into it.
It could be you're subconsciously carrying yourself with much more confidence and giving that vibe, or it could definitely be because of the new height.
Either way, it's the kind of qualia we can only experience and notice after something about us visibly changes.
Quote from: Purushrottam on April 09, 2018, 04:10:13 AMAfter that I noticed more and more that people were getting out of my way on the sidewalk. This did not happen before LL. Maybe I'm reading a bit too much into it.
That's just how the world works apparently:
Human Height Is Positively Related to Interpersonal Dominance in Dyadic Interactions
Quote from: Android on April 09, 2018, 05:37:57 PMThat's just how the world works apparently:
Human Height Is Positively Related to Interpersonal Dominance in Dyadic Interactions
To be honest, this seems to be a very Eurocentric study. Where I live, I only notice the shorter than average people have the worst jobs. Tall men don't give me the impression of being of higher social status than slightly above average ones. It seems like it could go either way. But good to have actual data on how height functions on a daily basis in the West!
I'd be interested if you found Japanese articles about height, and compared if they differ in conclusions and presentations from their Western counterparts.
Quote from: myloginacct on April 09, 2018, 12:13:20 PMIt could be you're subconsciously carrying yourself with much more confidence and giving that vibe, or it could definitely be because of the new height.
Either way, it's the kind of qualia we can only experience and notice after something about us visibly changes.
Hmm. That might be the case. I was still subconsciously acting on my previous habits of moving out of the way. Its just that the group of people was so large that I mentally hesitated in deciding whether to go left or right. By the time I "decided", the group split up in front of me. It was pretty surreal to be honest.
Quote from: Android on April 09, 2018, 05:37:57 PMThat's just how the world works apparently:
Human Height Is Positively Related to Interpersonal Dominance in Dyadic Interactions
Interesting. Thanks for the article.
Quote from: myloginacct on April 10, 2018, 01:03:27 AMTo be honest, this seems to be a very Eurocentric study. Where I live, I only notice the shorter than average people have the worst jobs. Tall men don't give me the impression of being of higher social status than slightly above average ones. It seems like it could go either way. But good to have actual data on how height functions on a daily basis in the West!
I'd be interested if you found Japanese articles about height, and compared if they differ in conclusions and presentations from their Western counterparts.
Thats a good question. I think the study discusses that this phenomenon is found across human cultures. In my particular example, the large group of people (who all moved out of my way) were Indian, and the group behind them (who also moved out of my way) was Caucasian. They weren't even shorter than me.
It might just be that now I look a bit scary because I grew my beard out (and have been working out intensely for 2-3 hours per day). My muscle mass is way higher and my % body fat is way lower than before. That may have had an impact as well.
Quote from: Purushrottam on April 10, 2018, 04:44:42 PMHmm. That might be the case. I was still subconsciously acting on my previous habits of moving out of the way. Its just that the group of people was so large that I mentally hesitated in deciding whether to go left or right. By the time I "decided", the group split up in front of me. It was pretty surreal to be honest.
Interesting. Thanks for the article.
Thats a good question. I think the study discusses that this phenomenon is found across human cultures. In my particular example, the large group of people (who all moved out of my way) were Indian, and the group behind them (who also moved out of my way) was Caucasian. They weren't even shorter than me.
It might just be that now I look a bit scary because I grew my beard out (and have been working out intensely for 2-3 hours per day). My muscle mass is way higher and my % body fat is way lower than before. That may have had an impact as well.
Oh, it's definitely a worldwide trend. Bigger height and mass = someone you don't wanna get into a fight with (to put a metaphorical figure literally: "someone you don't want to cross paths with").
Actually, body mass is one of the most overlooked factors when discussing anything in this forum.
It's just all the other claims in the study that get me. A study from apparently the Netherlands, the tallest country in the world. No biases there. I'm sure the results would differ a bit more if it wasn't from the country with the highest selection for height in the whole world. I'm sure the trend would continue, but I don't think it'd be as strong.
Hey Puru,
Did you stay in WPB for consolidation or go back to Silicon Valley? Did you continue to have PT done two or three times a week, and where do you find those PTs?
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