Found a doctor who preforms clavicle lengthening.

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height + proportionate arms > over everything else

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Quote from: vegeta24 on January 24, 2017, 10:02:45 PMIt's considered attractive to have shoulders noticeably wider than your hips for men. I'm personally surprised that more people here aren't concerned with shoulder width but would be with arm length, Nobody never really notices your arm length in person. I have not found any evidence of anything going wrong while lengthening the clavicle. Also not all men have narrow hips. I'm personally interested in this procedure so I wanted to share with the people here who might be interested. Everyone here wants to be seen as more masculine, which is why they're here. Working out will only do so much, taking steroids so you can lose your gains while on PCT unless you blast and cruise, pointless.

Very concerned with shoulder width and CL is something I've thought of before, but who knows how it would affect body mechanics. For a safer alternative, check out deltoid implants. You'd be surprised as to how much of a dramatic difference a few centimeters can make in your frame.

But if you haven't tried it yet, don't completely rule out working out. Look at what this guy was able to accomplish in terms of shoulder width in only 30 days : That's +4.5 inches and he's doing it full natty. I'm assuming if he hopped on roids in another 30 days he could be +6 inches around.

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he hasn't added inches. A one inch gain in shoulder width is a huge difference, that's about 3cm. If he added one inch he would be wider on the right side even. I used to think people had 4 or 5 inches of shoulder width on me, that's actually not even close to the case. I have looked at deltoid implants before, but if someone can lengthen the actual clavicle I would prefer that. But yeah on the right side he's expanding his rib cage and most likely holding his breath. Not to say he doesn't look better, but that's not really that big of a gain. Working out can help, but i don't want to take steroids for the side effects. Possible balding, gyno, mood swings. I don't want to feel good for three months straight then have 0 testosterone for the next three months with no libido. I'm not a doctor by any means, but I feel as if lengthening the clavicle has to be a less minor procedure than lengthening the legs, due to the fact that it has less soft tissue and nerves around it. We will see, thanks for your advice.

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I agree with Vegeta in that I feel that clavicle lengthening shouldn't be any more dangerous than leg lengthening. I know this is just anecdotal but I've met a guy who broke his clavicle and never bothered with the sling and everything and as a result has one shoulder longer than the other with no ill effects. Vegeta did the assistant say how much the procedure was and what exactly it entails? I'm a bit like you in that my shoulders aren't exactly the widest.

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Quote from: Bleda on January 26, 2017, 06:00:32 AMI agree with Vegeta in that I feel that clavicle lengthening shouldn't be any more dangerous than leg lengthening. I know this is just anecdotal but I've met a guy who broke his clavicle and never bothered with the sling and everything and as a result has one shoulder longer than the other with no ill effects. Vegeta did the assistant say how much the procedure was and what exactly it entails? I'm a bit like you in that my shoulders aren't exactly the widest.

Sigh you are all staring to convince me. So basically I will break my femur, tibia, humerus, and clavicle. I hope I'm still mobile at 40.

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Quote from: Bleda on January 26, 2017, 06:00:32 AMI agree with Vegeta in that I feel that clavicle lengthening shouldn't be any more dangerous than leg lengthening. I know this is just anecdotal but I've met a guy who broke his clavicle and never bothered with the sling and everything and as a result has one shoulder longer than the other with no ill effects. Vegeta did the assistant say how much the procedure was and what exactly it entails? I'm a bit like you in that my shoulders aren't exactly the widest.

The assistant informed me I would need to schedule a counsultation to get info on the pricing and everything. On his old website the surgery was advertised and it contained the same process as LL. It involved expanding the bone. The doctor is Leif Rogers in Beverly Hills. He was talked about on this forum before but people said he doesn't perform it anymore, but he does. It is probably around the same risk level as LL but it might even be less risky. I had the assistant verify that this procedure is still confirmed and she confirmed that clavicle lengthening is still a procedure he performs.

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http://web.archive.org/web/20150113005221/http://www.leifrogersmd.com/site/old%20site/male_shoulder_widening.html I found the procedure in an archive.org because it's not advertised on his new website. It's the same method as LL it looks like. Does anyone here have contact with any LL doctors, or any on this forum? I would like to get their opinion on this.

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Quote from: vegeta24 on January 28, 2017, 08:25:42 PMhttp://web.archive.org/web/20150113005221/http://www.leifrogersmd.com/site/old%20site/male_shoulder_widening.html I found the procedure in an archive.org because it's not advertised on his new website. It's the same method as LL it looks like. Does anyone here have contact with any LL doctors, or any on this forum? I would like to get their opinion on this.

Besides LL doctors I'd consult multiple ortho's. Someone else in an older thread on here said they contacted their ortho and strongly advised them against it (weight-bearing bones and non-weight bearing bones being very different for distraction lengthening apparently).

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Quote from: CaptainAmerica on January 29, 2017, 03:27:34 AM
Besides LL doctors I'd consult multiple ortho's. Someone else in an older thread on here said they contacted their ortho and strongly advised them against it (weight-bearing bones and non-weight bearing bones being very different for distraction lengthening apparently).

Makes sense, If I can't find any doctor besides Leif Rogers I will either go to him or just get implants most likely. Orthos would also strongly advise others to LL though. I'm pretty sure it's preformed on patients with this disorder https://www.researchgate.net/figure/11048384_fig3_Fig-3-Clavicular-diversifications-A-and-B-Abnormal-shoulder-movement-because-of also shows before and after. Do regular orthos have experience with distraction lengthening?

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So everyone this may be direct proof that lengthening the clavicle in a normal individual would result in increased width. http://www.dr-kimura.com/ope/ope-list/other/

There is a doctor in Japan who preforms clavicle shortening for a price of $8,000 USD. I am trying to find out if the surgeon preforms lengthening as well, I was told decreasing clavicle width is impossible due to the scapula. I think the scapula adapts to wherever the clavicle is. Surely shortening the bone sounds like a more difficult process than lengthening it?