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Posted on Aug 13, 2022, 10:17 am
#1
Hi Everyone,

I've been reading pretty much all of you in this forum since I decided to jump in and book my surgery and I must thank each and everyone of you who posted their experiences, the details of PT, surgery, hospitals, doctors. You've been an incredible source of information.

Also a big shout out to Vic from @Cyborg4Life. He is th hero among us and deserves all the success he can get.

In about 2 weeks time (Aug 24th) I'll go for a bilateral femoral lengthening through G-Nail with Dr. Giotikas in Athens.

I have explored various options before this but the combination of being a weight bearing nail (although with a gruesome  ratcheting mechanism lol), the package that Dr. G. offers (they include full PT in the cost... that's quite good), his reputation and overall the "vibe" of competence that I got in my 1 hour consultation with him convinced me that he is the right option. Ah.. and the location. You can't beat Greece in summertime.

I'll be staying at the Novotel in Athens, which is the closest hotel to the PT centre with all the amenities i was looking for (gym, pool, various restaurants...big breakfast...).  If anyone is staying there too, please reach out and we can grab a few drinks together.

I thought I start this diary to share my experience, the goods, the bads... the ugly (hopefully not) and the achievements and get in return some much needed support from people that understand what most of us are driven from when going through this.

A bit of background. 38 years old, 164cm, 64Kg caucasian male. Live in Australia with my wife and an amazing kid (the real pain here is to leave him for about 2 months but my wife has been supportive of this from day one. Nobody else knows about this. Not my family  not my friends. This is a solo journey and I'm lucky I can actually afford it (money and time).

About my current build... I'm fairly athletic and in good shape. Use to go hard-core to crossfit gym until 6-7 months ago when I literally stopped doing lower body hypertrophy sessions and only concentrated on stretching.

I still kept my upper body routine somewhat but just in order to.. maintain. I believe that will help heaps during lengthening to be able to move around. I did lose a lot of cardio stamina though as i havent been going to classes sonce then.

On the other hand, my flexibility gains have been quite satisfying. I'm at a point where as far as hamstrings go, I can easily go palms to ground with my elbow bended somewhat. On  the hip flexor side, I can't quite gauge how flexible they are but I've been concentrating most of my efforts on those recently as I understand and I feel they will be key to success and are notoriously harder to stretch than the hammies.

What are my goals?
Well, I set myself a 3 tiered goal. I'd like to aim at a minimum of 7cm as tier1, which will make me happy as ill get closer to average (and with shoes i should reach close to 175cm), but if I feel good the ideal goal would be between 8-9cm.

If then things progress better than I expect (Im not holding my breadth here) I would venture the double digit goal as my ultimate target. Yes I understand this is risky and all that and I do appreciate everyone providing comments to other patient to don't risk a healthy body for an extra cm. I'll see how thing go and follow the Doctor's and PT's advise when I'm there.

Other than this, I hope I can manage to squeeze in some trip around Athens as I believe this time of the year the weather should be awesome (I like hot sweaty climates).

Anyway, hope to be able to provide insights that will help other prospective patients, do don't shy away from questions.

Cheers
OzBoy
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Posted on Aug 13, 2022, 11:02 am
#2
Welcome to the forum. I know Australia is a country where many men are tall, but you are not short. 164cm is a good height. I have met people shorter than you when I was in Australia.
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Posted on Aug 13, 2022, 11:40 am
#3
Thanks @ilovescience.
Yeah definitely not "the" shortest, but I'd say within the bottom 3-5 percentile.

 Let's see if we can reach the dream of getting to somewhere around the 45th percentile at 173cm.
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Posted on Aug 13, 2022, 1:26 pm
#4
Good luck on your journey!

I'm considering Dr G for early next year and have a couple of questions. How much does the 1 hour consultation cost and what things did you discuss? Also, how much more expensive is staying at Novotel compared to Montaza, the one Athens BJR recommend?
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Posted on Aug 13, 2022, 7:42 pm
#5
Quote from: OzBoy39 on August 13, 2022, 10:17:00 AMHi Everyone,

I've been reading pretty much all of you in this forum since I decided to jump in and book my surgery and I must thank each and everyone of you who posted their experiences, the details of PT, surgery, hospitals, doctors. You've been an incredible source of information.

Also a big shout out to Vic from @Cyborg4Life. He is th hero among us and deserves all the success he can get.

In about 2 weeks time (Aug 24th) I'll go for a bilateral femoral lengthening through G-Nail with Dr. Giotikas in Athens.

I have explored various options before this but the combination of being a weight bearing nail (although with a gruesome  ratcheting mechanism lol), the package that Dr. G. offers (they include full PT in the cost... that's quite good), his reputation and overall the "vibe" of competence that I got in my 1 hour consultation with him convinced me that he is the right option. Ah.. and the location. You can't beat Greece in summertime.

I'll be staying at the Novotel in Athens, which is the closest hotel to the PT centre with all the amenities i was looking for (gym, pool, various restaurants...big breakfast...).  If anyone is staying there too, please reach out and we can grab a few drinks together.

I thought I start this diary to share my experience, the goods, the bads... the ugly (hopefully not) and the achievements and get in return some much needed support from people that understand what most of us are driven from when going through this.

A bit of background. 38 years old, 164cm, 64Kg caucasian male. Live in Australia with my wife and an amazing kid (the real pain here is to leave him for about 2 months but my wife has been supportive of this from day one. Nobody else knows about this. Not my family  not my friends. This is a solo journey and I'm lucky I can actually afford it (money and time).

About my current build... I'm fairly athletic and in good shape. Use to go hard-core to crossfit gym until 6-7 months ago when I literally stopped doing lower body hypertrophy sessions and only concentrated on stretching.

I still kept my upper body routine somewhat but just in order to.. maintain. I believe that will help heaps during lengthening to be able to move around. I did lose a lot of cardio stamina though as i havent been going to classes sonce then.

On the other hand, my flexibility gains have been quite satisfying. I'm at a point where as far as hamstrings go, I can easily go palms to ground with my elbow bended somewhat. On  the hip flexor side, I can't quite gauge how flexible they are but I've been concentrating most of my efforts on those recently as I understand and I feel they will be key to success and are notoriously harder to stretch than the hammies.

What are my goals?
Well, I set myself a 3 tiered goal. I'd like to aim at a minimum of 7cm as tier1, which will make me happy as ill get closer to average (and with shoes i should reach close to 175cm), but if I feel good the ideal goal would be between 8-9cm.

If then things progress better than I expect (Im not holding my breadth here) I would venture the double digit goal as my ultimate target. Yes I understand this is risky and all that and I do appreciate everyone providing comments to other patient to don't risk a healthy body for an extra cm. I'll see how thing go and follow the Doctor's and PT's advise when I'm there.

Other than this, I hope I can manage to squeeze in some trip around Athens as I believe this time of the year the weather should be awesome (I like hot sweaty climates).

Anyway, hope to be able to provide insights that will help other prospective patients, do don't shy away from questions.

Cheers
OzBoy

Hey Ozboy,

First, Congratulations, and I wish you to reach your goal!
Patients have had/have some difficulties with G-Nail clicking. The package of Dr. Giotikas suggests nurses will assist you with clicks if you stay at the Montaza or Grand Hyatt hotels.
Nearly all of the patients stay there, and I think it can be very helpful for social situations.

I have a few questions.

Why didn't you stay at the Montaza or Grand Hyatt hotels?

How can Dr. Giotikas solve non-union with G-nails that cannot be reversed?

Have you seen/spoken to other patients who have had G-Nail treatment and checked how they walk now/do sports to be impressed by the results of G-Nail?

According to my understanding, Dr. Giotikas is staying in Athens for two weeks and in the UK for two weeks. What are your options if you need him urgently?
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Posted on Aug 13, 2022, 8:46 pm
#6
Hey Thankscience

It was 200 euro if I remember correct. This was after the free 15 mins consult.

We discussed pretty much everything I wanted to clarify. Dr. G gave me a thorough review of the process pre, during and post op. Explained the risks in details and answered all the questions I had. We also went through my background and lifestyle to assess potential habits to change before the ops.

About the Novotel, it is definitely more expensive than the Montaza, but I had the chance to pay it through my frequent flyer points (due to Covid I kept accumulating so many points that pretty much I spent 0 cash at Novotel for 2 months... Super sweet deal. They didn't have the Montaza as an option. The Hyatt instead was fully booked until Nov 10).

That was pretty much it
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Posted on Aug 13, 2022, 9:21 pm
#7
Hi Infinite.

Thank you man.
Yeah I would have definitely preferred staying at the Montaza and or the Hyatt (although this last one for this period is super expensive even with the discount offered).

But I had this deal that I can pay the hotel with frequent flyer points that I accumulated during Covid and the Montaza wasn't among the options. The Hyatt is fully booked until Sep10.

Regarding the non-union, I understood from him that is a rare circumstance in limb lengthening, and something a patient and his doctor need to be on top of (ahead of the game) through monitoring with x-rays, excercise, nutrition and supplementation. If non union starts to develop, the first option is to slow down the lengthening and if it becomes a chronic condition... Down the surgery path again you go.
The G-nail as we know is a non reversible nail so ... Not much you can do in terms of compression.

I haven't spoken directly to any other patient. And I believe by reading and watching pretty much any  testimonial out there that

1- it is possible to go back to a perfectly normal life
2- I think you definitely will have reduced performance in sports activities with limitations that will most likely impact thongs like jumping, explosive burst from your legs and similar motions.

Me personally, I'm almost in my 40s. Not chasing any Olympic dream anymore, so as long as I can regain my mobility/flexibility (which now btw is definitely above average due to all the stretching I'm doing😂) to be able to perform simple sporting activities, I'd be super happy then.

Having to continue stretching forever... If that's a thong, it's definitely not a problem. I love this routine of stretching your body out and after you get somewhat good at it, you sort of crave it, it's a relaxing part of my day.


Last about Dr G. Splitting his time between Athens and the UK. Yeah there's that, but again from what I understand, most patients see their doctors every few weeks or even months. If some complications arise that require medical attentions, if it's life threatening I'm assuming it's not going to be dr G only to take care of it. There will be a team of professional within the Mediterraneo hospital that will take care of whatever comes up.

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Posted on Aug 14, 2022, 5:07 am
#8
Thanks for the answers! I didn't think Dr G did it 2 weeks in Athens then 2 weeks in the UK - I read somewhere it was a few days per week in Athens then a few days in the UK. I might be wrong though.

Are you getting travel insurance? Also, what types of stretches are you using for hip flexors?

I look forward to reading your journey!
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Posted on Aug 14, 2022, 6:47 am
#9
No problems at all.
Yeah I'm honestly not too sure about his schedule. I might have asked at the time of the consultation but can't remember now.

I looked quite a lot into travel insurances.  I got myself one middle tier for about 300$, BUT they clearly state, like all other insurances, that they do not cover for any medical claim related to a condition that... It's the reason for the trip overseas. So I'm not really sure how useful it'll be. But for 300$, at least I'm covered if I damage my phone or laptop or for some delays and those usual things they cover.

Stretches...  I followed these 2 channels on YouTube
- Tom Merrick
- Strength Side

I started doing their follow along routines and then adjusted and mixed up excercises with the ones I found most effective to me.

The routines from Tom are super relaxing. Nice music flowing in background and overall a nice Zen time before bed. Strength side added a few very intense stretches (hams and hip flexors) which are my favourite now.
Check the link here




They are pretty intense though! It takes a while to start enjoying them depending on your starting range of motion.

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Posted on Aug 14, 2022, 8:31 pm
#10
Quote from: OzBoy39 on August 13, 2022, 09:21:37 PMHi Infinite.

Thank you man.
Yeah I would have definitely preferred staying at the Montaza and or the Hyatt (although this last one for this period is super expensive even with the discount offered).

But I had this deal that I can pay the hotel with frequent flyer points that I accumulated during Covid and the Montaza wasn't among the options. The Hyatt is fully booked until Sep10.

Regarding the non-union, I understood from him that is a rare circumstance in limb lengthening, and something a patient and his doctor need to be on top of (ahead of the game) through monitoring with x-rays, excercise, nutrition and supplementation. If non union starts to develop, the first option is to slow down the lengthening and if it becomes a chronic condition... Down the surgery path again you go.
The G-nail as we know is a non reversible nail so ... Not much you can do in terms of compression.

I haven't spoken directly to any other patient. And I believe by reading and watching pretty much any  testimonial out there that

1- it is possible to go back to a perfectly normal life
2- I think you definitely will have reduced performance in sports activities with limitations that will most likely impact thongs like jumping, explosive burst from your legs and similar motions.

Me personally, I'm almost in my 40s. Not chasing any Olympic dream anymore, so as long as I can regain my mobility/flexibility (which now btw is definitely above average due to all the stretching I'm doing😂) to be able to perform simple sporting activities, I'd be super happy then.

Having to continue stretching forever... If that's a thong, it's definitely not a problem. I love this routine of stretching your body out and after you get somewhat good at it, you sort of crave it, it's a relaxing part of my day.


Last about Dr G. Splitting his time between Athens and the UK. Yeah there's that, but again from what I understand, most patients see their doctors every few weeks or even months. If some complications arise that require medical attentions, if it's life threatening I'm assuming it's not going to be dr G only to take care of it. There will be a team of professional within the Mediterraneo hospital that will take care of whatever comes up.

Hi OzBoy,

I appreciate your complete response.

Your doctor should be available 24 hours a day. This is not a minor procedure, and you must check with your doctor daily. If you experience any complications, you should catch them right away.

What do you mean by "Down the surgery path again you go"?
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