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Quote from: Peaceout on April 21, 2016, 10:06:20 AMI understood what you said dont worry.You are trying to point that you can reach your unfit pre of yourself(or even better)with workout after LL is done.Its not like that.What i am trying to say is if you are even the laziest and most unfit person in the world it doesnt matter.You can still make explosive-fast rushes if you want with your unfit-lazy body right?(Think about some emergency situations-adrenaline rushes like runing away from someone or something similar)
You wont have that explosiveness after surgery even with a great shape.I mean check out the diarys.People say even joging is very tiring and they have to stop early.
In the end it doesnt matter if you are %40-50-60.. before surgery.There are something that you wont be able to get back like explosiveness,long distance runs without geting tired quickly, etc..
Im not saying you cant improve yourself after surgery day by day.Yes you can.But we all should be realistic here..

You say that people claim jogging to be very tiring, but if your cardio and muscular endurance are trained to a high enough degree you can jog equally as long or longer than pre op.

Now while I can't speak from experience as I have not had the surgery, however anything I have heard from doctors or read online doesn't lead me to believe that you cannot regain your post op explosiveness with proper training.

Muscles can be trained to become stronger and to react faster (explosiveness?). Even if a muscle is weakened from the surgery you can still train it to make it stronger and more explosive (as long as you are not too old) and there is no cap on how well trained your muscles can become (again as long as you are not too old). I do not see any reason, given this information, not to believe that it is possible to regain muscular strength and explosiveness.

Now altering body mechanics that is a whole other subject which to be honest I do not really know how I feel on it yet. It will definitely have an effect but how detrimental if at all that effect may be is what I question. Think about individuals who naturally have disproportionately long femurs (or tibia)? If their biomechanics allow them to successfully play sports, run, jump, squat, etc. then it should just come down to teaching yourself how to do everything all over again with the extra length to the femurs (or tibia). Again I have not done enough research to where I feel confident to truly argue on the effect from the change in biomechanics but assuming stretching allows for recovery in range of motion then currently this is the line of thinking that makes sense to me.

Apologies if any of this comes off as hostile, I in no way intend to come off as hostile. Just looking for both positive and negative feedback on this theory.

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Quote from: goldenegg on April 20, 2016, 06:53:51 PM
you kind of are asking a favor.  dr. G gets like hundreds of emails a week and there are plenty of people willing to pay his prices and meet his pre-op physical requirements to do LL with him.  he has so much demand that he doesn't have to do anything for you...

Reread my post.  The fact that Guichet gets so many emails is a major reason WHY he should post these videos.  No doubt a great many of the emails he receives (probably most) have to do with recovery, so these videos would answer those questions ahead of time.  If he took the time to shoot the videos of patients the day of surgery and 3 months post-surgery, it doesn't seem unreasonable to expect videos of patients further along down the path of recovery (6 months, 1 year, etc.)  In fact, it seems logical that he would want to post them.  So no, again, I'm not asking for a personal favor to me.  I'm giving voice to a sentiment that has been around on these forums for years.

Quote from: goldenegg on April 20, 2016, 06:53:51 PM
plenty of prior LL patients have said it before me, but no doctor can guarantee a full athletic recovery from LL.

Again, I'm not asking for a guarantee.  However, I would like to see evidence that it is POSSIBLE.

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Quote from: tallerz on April 21, 2016, 02:30:37 AMI think you need to reread what I said. I'll phrase it this way, what if an individual who was extremely unfit went through LL and then became fit post LL. Surely their fitness/athletic level would be greater then before LL. I agree that Pre LL 100% is most likely greater than Post LL 100% But most people are not at 100% of their potential.

Make more sense that way?

I understand you, but you're wrong.

Let's say I *can* deadlift 500 pounds, and have the *potential* for 700. LL doesn't then just limit me to a 600 pound deadlift which I could theoretically reach with hard training. It takes me all the way back down to having the potential to do about 300 pounds, but more than likely around 200 or less.

This isn't a case of taking 1 step back and then still having the potential to take able 2 steps forward again with hard training, but with slightly lessened potential. This is significant weakening yourself for life.

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Quote from: Thatdude950 on April 21, 2016, 05:27:29 PMI understand you, but you're wrong.

Let's say I *can* deadlift 500 pounds, and have the *potential* for 700. LL doesn't then just limit me to a 600 pound deadlift which I could theoretically reach with hard training. It takes me all the way back down to having the potential to do about 300 pounds, but more than likely around 200 or less.

This isn't a case of taking 1 step back and then still having the potential to take able 2 steps forward again with hard training, but with slightly lessened potential. This is significant weakening yourself for life.

What evidence do you have to support this claim? If this is true then it would seem that a lot of doctors are being extremely deceitful in their claims.

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forget about  getting back to  pre op levels

its not biomechanics either

i had short tibiae, so My proportions are different, but normal. I could be explosive with my biomechanics, but the soft tissue damage is too much

soft tissue stretching is what hurts you, and there's no avoiding it

unless they start making bionic man  legs soon,  and youre willing to get your lower legs removed, forget about pre op ability

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Quote from: crimsontide on April 22, 2016, 12:34:41 AMforget about  getting back to  pre op levels

its not biomechanics either

i had short tibiae, so My proportions are different, but normal. I could be explosive with my biomechanics, but the soft tissue damage is too much

soft tissue stretching is what hurts you, and there's no avoiding it

unless they start making bionic man  legs soon,  and youre willing to get your lower legs removed, forget about pre op ability

How long ago was your procedure?

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2 years

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Quote from: tallerz on April 21, 2016, 06:12:01 PMWhat evidence do you have to support this claim? If this is true then it would seem that a lot of doctors are being extremely deceitful in their claims.

What evidence do you have that what you're talking about is possible other than words? There's hundreds of diaries here and not one (or, at most one dubious) video example of decent post LL strength. No squats or deadlifts above baby weights.

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The commentary in this post is killing me.

As far as recovery goes, you get out what you put in. Consider a person who does LL then doesn't stretch or do physio and uses LL as an excuse not to train hard post-LL. That person will never reach their pre-LL ability.

I do tend to agree with the comment made that even Pre-LL, your body is only conditioned to some percentage of its physical potential. Post-LL, that potential may decrease in certain aspects of physical ability, stay the same, and go up in others (endurance, flexibility, agility, speed, strength, power, etc.).

For myself, I can say this: I'm every bit as flexible as I was pre-LL. Granted, I have to work harder to maintain that flexibility these days (which may be partially attributed to ageing). In terms of endurance, I can actually run longer distances than I ever could pre-LL. Leg strength is the same as it was pre-LL. I'm definitely slower at sprinting than I used to be, but it would be wrong to say LL is the sole reason for that - ageing, different bio mechanics, not having sprinted in nearly a decade, etc. Agility is a bit reduced. Power is roughly the same.

In sum, I'm in better shape now at 30 and post-LL than I was as a 22 year old college sprinter...and I've trained every single day since LL to get here.

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Quote from: stillyoung on April 22, 2016, 05:05:56 AMThe commentary in this post is killing me.

As far as recovery goes, you get out what you put in. Consider a person who does LL then doesn't stretch or do physio and uses LL as an excuse not to train hard post-LL. That person will never reach their pre-LL ability.

I do tend to agree with the comment made that even Pre-LL, your body is only conditioned to some percentage of its physical potential. Post-LL, that potential may decrease in certain aspects of physical ability, stay the same, and go up in others (endurance, flexibility, agility, speed, strength, power, etc.).

For myself, I can say this: I'm every bit as flexible as I was pre-LL. Granted, I have to work harder to maintain that flexibility these days (which may be partially attributed to ageing). In terms of endurance, I can actually run longer distances than I ever could pre-LL. Leg strength is the same as it was pre-LL. I'm definitely slower at sprinting than I used to be, but it would be wrong to say LL is the sole reason for that - ageing, different bio mechanics, not having sprinted in nearly a decade, etc. Agility is a bit reduced. Power is roughly the same.

In sum, I'm in better shape now at 30 and post-LL than I was as a 22 year old college sprinter...and I've trained every single day since LL to get here.

BOOM!

I rest my case.