Quote from: hippo60 on June 17, 2023, 06:26:03 PMUh??
A few small-diameter pins perpendicular to the bone is not very invasive. It's like an extreme but temporary body piercing. 
Compare that to driving a big nail down into the intermedullary canal and then pulling it back out again. 
Quote from: Body Builder on June 17, 2023, 01:25:28 PMI did 7.5 cm on tibias and I am fine.
Maybe I would have been better doing 1-1.5cm less but maybe not. For me getting even 1.5cm more from my initial height which was not good was important and I felt good even after 6.5 cm so I pushed for more.
And now I feel right with my choice.
These nowadays "safe limits" of 5cm for tibias are plain bs and most doctors who insist on them are to push their patients to give double or triple the money to do internal femurs which is a much more invasive and risky procedure compared to external tibias.
And in no way 8cm on femurs are easier or safer than 6.5cm on tibias. The biomechanics will have the same differences after so there is no reason for 8cm on femurs to be safer than 6.5cm on tibias.
Of course some people may not handle this lengthening on tibias due to equinus problem but that you will see it only during kengthening. Most people can handle 6-6.5cm on tibias without any major equinus issue.
Nice, how was you recovery now? Can you sprint and jog good? Weight lifting? Walk? I understand there's a long recovery and obviously some athletic setback just wanted to know how it went for you
Quote from: DanishViking on June 17, 2023, 09:41:06 AM6.5 cm is definitly not safe for 90% of people doing tibia lengthening. Most people start to get complications after 4,5 cm according to cyborg4life and most safe US surgeons set the safe limit to 5 cm for tibias. In generel doing tibias is a stupid idea unless your're planning on doing both segments femur + tibia or you find out after x-ray scanning that you have abnormally long femurs compared to tibias.
They heal slower, have a higher complication rate, increase chance of joint problems / early arthisis, less overall safe length achieved / cutting 2 bones (tibia+fibula) vs 1 for femur etc.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26398436/
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=83172.0 (this guy did what you want and got a horrible outcome...)
I would rather do femurs but Dr. only does LON Tibia, but I heard LON for the tibia is way safer and more comfortable than LON Femur, but I understand your raising complications going that high but since I'm probably gonna do 1 surgery for awhile or forever I rather do it big then regret it later.
Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on June 17, 2023, 06:31:41 PMA few small-diameter pins perpendicular to the bone is not very invasive. It's like an extreme but temporary body piercing.
Compare that to driving a big nail down into the intermedullary canal and then pulling it back out again.
Are you really going to argue LON tibias is LESS invasive and LESS risky than internal femurs? 
External only. Not LON.
Quote from: hippo60 on June 18, 2023, 07:42:44 PMAre you really going to argue LON tibias is LESS invasive and LESS risky than internal femurs?
LON Tibia is safer than LON femur, plus more comfortable sleeping wise, OFC internals femurs is gonna be the best of the best but more expensive than LON, that's why I'm considering doing tibia first than maybe femurs.
Quote from: dboy123 on June 17, 2023, 07:17:52 PMNice, how was you recovery now? Can you sprint and jog good? Weight lifting? Walk? I understand there's a long recovery and obviously some athletic setback just wanted to know how it went for you
I can't do anything very well except from running as fast as before and for the same distances and jump as high.
I could still train to become better in these thimgs too (not.like LL though) but I don't want to stress my knees and ankles and legs in general so I just continue my everyday life normally without things that I woiuldnt do much even without LL.
I cam walk normally for long distances and of course be steady enough to work out as much as I did before LL.
Everyone who says, even doctors, that 6-6.5 cm on tibias will ruin you are either lying or dont know s**t.
Always the less the better of course but in no way 6-6.5cm on tibias would ruin you more than 8cm on femurs.
But doctors nowadays are more merchants than real doctors and want to earn huge amount of money by doing internal femurs which are much easier for them than external tibias which is safer and by far less expensive. But doctors can't earn much money with it amd should be really experienced to do it and thats why they prefer to tell bs to their patients about the risks of tibias and how superior are internal femurs, thats why the vast majority of people here are doing femurs these days while 10+ years before most of us did external tibias and had the same results with less than half the money.
So go for external tibias and listen to your body. Up to 6cm are relatively safe for most people, but if your body adapts well you could reach even 6.5cm without much risks. After than that it is better to stop.
Quote from: Body Builder on June 18, 2023, 11:17:17 PMI can't do anything very well except from running as fast as before and for the same distances and jump as high.
I dont get what you mean by this I think you mistyped
Remove the apostrophe and the t. That's what he meant.
Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on June 18, 2023, 09:21:05 PMExternal only. Not LON.
Oh I see. But buddy, you didn't shower for a couple of months because of infection risk. I really don't understand what's the argument for LON over internal other than money.
Quote from: Body Builder on June 18, 2023, 11:17:17 PMBut doctors nowadays are more merchants than real doctors and want to earn huge amount of money by doing internal femurs which are much easier for them than external tibias which is safer and by far less expensive. But doctors can't earn much money with it amd should be really experienced to do it and thats why they prefer to tell bs to their patients about the risks of tibias and how superior are internal femurs, thats why the vast majority of people here are doing femurs these days while 10+ years before most of us did external tibias and had the same results with less than half the money.
You unfortunately experienced a really bad doctor who might match that description, but that's definitely not true for all doctors. And guess what happened over the last decade? Technology improved, and other than you - people moved on.
Why don't you become a farmer? People have been doing it for thousands of years. They seemed pretty happy.
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