Quote from: Bruce Wayne on September 19, 2020, 08:41:25 AMIf you believe that country's average height is the most important number, then I've provided you an easy solution.
It's not an easy solution. It's not worth it. The drawbacks of moving to India to 'look taller' outweigh the advantages. Not that hard to follow. The most important number to compare your height with. Not the most important number in your life.
Quote from: Bruce Wayne on September 19, 2020, 08:41:25 AMSo basically you want to live in one of the most advanced countries in the world, filled with the best-looking and tallest people and you wanted to be 6'2" yourself instead of 5'8" to be able to compete with the other guys.
That sounds like something any 5'3" Indian guy or anyone for that matter would dream of.
You must be joking, right? Is my country one of the most advanced in the world? (Like Germany/Scandinavian ones/USA)
Not even close.
It's like comparing Landa with BMW.
I don't want to move away from country, and never said I want to, which by the way, isn't filled with the best looking or tallest people in the world.
As if people in shorter countries, specifically women ever stops preferring tall men at anyplace and anytime. And if you're of a different ethnicity then the natives will just look down upon you since your ethnicities' average is expected to be taller, lose-lose either way. You'd have to be a mental midget to follow this line of reasoning and conclude such hogwash.
Quote from: O_99 on September 19, 2020, 08:03:16 AMNo.
Ok. Moaning like a small girl about being short and the everyday drawbacks that has to do with it and discrimination stories etc is for the braves, doing LL to get rid from all these is for cowards...whatever.
Quote from: Bruce Wayne on September 19, 2020, 08:41:25 AMIf you believe that country's average height is the most important number, then I've provided you an easy solution.
So basically you want to live in one of the most advanced countries in the world, filled with the best-looking and tallest people and you wanted to be 6'2" yourself instead of 5'8" to be able to compete with the other guys.
That sounds like something any 5'3" Indian guy or anyone for that matter would dream of.
Let me put it this way.
Without LL, we're gonna be tortured mentally.
With LL, we're gonna be tortured physically. (That not being said that we will be completely freed from mental torture after LL)
I don't feel so sure that it's a win in the end. But maybe I'll change my mind one day.
Mentally torture is always the worse and lasts forever, while pain from LL lasts only a few months and then you can live in peace of mind without struggling 10 times mores in life (especially on dating) because you lack a few inches.
It IS a win at the end, I did it and I know.much better than people who just moan about how bad life is when you are short without doing anything about it.
Quote from: Body Builder on September 19, 2020, 10:37:29 PMMentally torture is always the worse and lasts forever, while pain from LL lasts only a few months and then you can live in peace of mind without struggling 10 times mores in life (especially on dating) because you lack a few inches.
It IS a win at the end, I did it and I know.much better than people who just moan about how bad life is when you are short without doing anything about it.
Not necessarily. Seems that it could last for more than 'a few months'.
Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on November 04, 2019, 06:28:01 PMThe answer is still yes, but we'll see. I'm noticing more tightness in my legs now in my late 30s, 12 years after doing the surgery.
Quote from: Sweden on November 09, 2019, 08:04:42 AMDo you know your time for sprinting 0-100 meters?
I did my 7cm on tibias in 2013 and have now achieved the highest level of competitive martial arts - for men in my age(40+).
Of course I have aches and pain many days, but in 2 weeks I’ll be competing in European Championships! I’m just so happy to be “back in the game” again. I’ve achieved more than I ever thought was possible after having done LL, especially with my kind of complications.
Quote from: Unicorn888 on June 09, 2020, 03:56:24 PMHi everyone,
Just giving you a small update on my 5th surgery which took place last Saturday at Kings College Hospital. Because my slated operation needed 2 surgeons, one for my femur and the other to harvest bone from my hips, the only way possible was to make them come in on a weekend and that they did with no hesitation (respekt!).
I've been so anxious about this surgery that for once in my life, I had nothing to add or say. How could things go so wrong that my right guichet nail had to break too? Not to mention the continuous hopeless non-union of my right leg.
At least things happened quickly, I didn't get to enjoy any benzodiazapine cktail before the big countdown to sleep. I just woke up and was told, it's over, your doc will tell you more tomorrow.
Wheeled back to my room, I was attended by many because they couldn't get my blood pressure above 65 but I tried to tell them that's kinda my range. I remember in Milan during my 3rd surgery, when my blood pressure plummetted, they called a priest.
I was observed every 15 minutes 24/7 for fever, infections, blood tests, IV antibiotics, IV painkillers, IV saline, my long scars/wound sites checked twice a day - in addition to sheet changes everytime I pee/bleed, shower and shampoo, movies 'n meals in bed... I'm starting to think twice about leaving this Club Med.
My doctor finally appeared on Monday morning and while she always has her serious face on, she was almost skipping like a child telling me that she was able to remove the broken guichet nail through the original insertion hole. They were fearful that the nail had disintergrated into so many pieces, they had to slice me open like a frog, and fish around for 'shrapnel'.
Instead, my doc was able to yank everything out intact and lost only 1 bob inside me where she had to do some digging. She replaced the guichet nail with a 12mm trauma nail using the same pin sites and chiselled out a chunk of my iliac crest (hip) to fill my non-union gap like a kebab. She mentioned that there was significant metal contamination and had to scrub my insides out (whatever that means, rust?). She felt sorry for my freak-show number of scars and asked if I would let her remove my keloids while she had me on the operating table. I told her I also needed a face lift, boob job and tummy tuck if ever she got bored.
So that's that. No shortening needed as the 2018 bone graft held up so much so that when they removed the Guichet nail, my entire right leg didn't collapse. Once the new trauma nail was stabilized in place, all they had to do was supplement my empty right gaps with fresh hip bones.
The one thought that kept coming back to me is this. The NHS has me hospitalized for 3.5 weeks because they deemed this surgery high risk and invasive. Hence, I'm being fussed about day and night with pressure/temperature checks every 15 minutes, antibiotic drips, painkillers, physio, wound checks, scans/xrays/tests and even blood transfusions, to prevent sepsis, gangrene, embolism, blood clots, necrotising bacteria not to mention COVID.
Now, when I compare this NHS aftercare to my Guichet Milan experience in 2017 - where I had my left leg nail removed, accidentally broken by Guichet, replaced with a new nail, osteotomy to rebreak my left leg, marrow harvested from 2 hip bones and grafted onto my right non-union gap. Both surgeries are essentially quite similar with 1 giant difference: Guichet discharged me from the hospital after 1 night while NHS looks after me for 3.5 weeks.
I had suffered after that surgery just as much as I have after this recent one, none more than any other surgery patient. I couldn't move at all, couldn't pee, couldn't eat, couldn't sit up, was in agonizing pain etc. However, how can a doctor or any decent human being, risk the life of his patient by limiting their hospital stay to save costs?
I don't think NHS is exaggerating when they constantly check for fevers, biopsies, give heparin shots, monitor wound site, change sheets, dvt socks, endless imaging, blood tests and scans... when in comparison, I was given a pharmacy prescription to fill by myself, when checking out of the Milan hospital after 1 night.
I remember being so angry with myself then because I was all alone at the Radisson Blu Milan and was in so much pain, I couldn't move from the bed, had to pee into trash cans and was marinating in the same bedsheet of urine and blood for days. It wasn't down to Radisson Blu's staff to care for me, it should have been the job of a hospital. And the irony is I was a paying patient of Guichet's in Milan 2017 and am now, a free patient at the NHS in 2020.
These 2 stark experiences upset me still, because the sheer day and night difference in aftercare btw Guichet and NHS simply shows how unnecessarily I had suffered and risked, in the hands of a doctor who prioritizes profit margins over life.
Quote from: Scarface on September 18, 2020, 11:03:47 PMWhich country do you live in? Heightwise how many % of people would you estimate as being taller and shorter than you? Because I think it's a European country and I'll be a similar height post LL and it should be much better here in Asia
It is very rare to see white guys < 6 ft where I live, and there are plenty of women > 6 ft. I even know two girls (friends of friends) who are 193 cm and 195 cm, respectively.
So if you’re already insecure about your height, it’s not a great idea to move to Northern European countries such as the Netherlands or Denmark. This is not applicable to all European countries, though. I’ve never felt short in Southern European countries such as Portugal or Italy.
But if you plan to stay in Asia anyway, you don’t need to worry at all. 5’11” is a great height there; you’ll certainly be well above average.
Quote from: Bruce Wayne on September 19, 2020, 10:51:36 PMNot necessarily. Seems that it could last for more than 'a few months'.
Yes, if things go wrong.
You can even die in the surgery. But also, you could die in a car accident when going to work.
LL with a good doctor most and without extreme lengthening is safe and all these problems (like the one I had too with at overlengthening which I fixed with another surgery) could be avoided.
But its ok for someome to not take even the slightest risk and live all his life in misery but completely safe.
Thats why I said that LL is for the braves and not anyone.
Quote from: Body Builder on September 19, 2020, 11:33:51 PMYes, if things go wrong.
You can even die in the surgery. But also, you could die in a car accident when going to work.
LL with a good doctor most and without extreme lengthening is safe and all these problems (like the one I had too with at overlengthening which I fixed with another surgery) could be avoided.
But its ok for someome to not take even the slightest risk and live all his life in misery but completely safe.
Thats why I said that LL is for the braves and not anyone.
I don't know if it's 'a slight' risk man. Because it seems to me that things often go wrong more than not.
Apart from the 3 people I mentioned above (2 of which are veterans), there is you. But if I am not mistaken your surgery was more recent than Sweden and Medium of Drink Water.
Then there is Android. Did the surgery 2 years ago, suffered nerve damage, hasn't been back until now: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=8993.186
This is a guy who did a lot of research prior to the surgery, I'm sure he was extra careful all the time and still didn't go that smooth.
And a good doctor is not a guarantee. Guichet was once considered one of the best LL doctors.
I don't even read that many diaries, perhaps there are more cases like these.
Quote from: ZUCC420 on September 19, 2020, 10:10:18 PMAs if people in shorter countries, specifically women ever stops preferring tall men at anyplace and anytime. And if you're of a different ethnicity then the natives will just look down upon you since your ethnicities' average is expected to be taller, lose-lose either way.
+1
Quote from: Body Builder on September 19, 2020, 10:33:23 PMOk. Moaning like a small girl about being short and the everyday drawbacks that has to do with it and discrimination stories etc is for the braves, doing LL to get rid from all these is for cowards...whatever.
Lol!
If you are 5'5 or so and below, LLS is probably the way to go (that's why I shared the video with Brendan Snob making fun of 5'3 people who do the surgery). Once you go higher in height, the risks/drawbacks - rewards balance starts to shift. I'm a Mountain Biker, if I do the surgery I'll be a 178cm grandpa riding a bike. When I reach 45 how I'll do that? Will do downhill with the wheelchair?
When/If I reach 70 (regardless of sports; just walking)? Don't want to even think about it.
Whereas you can do bodybuilding training only for your upper body and don't work out your weak, worn-down chicken legs.
https://me.me/i/gym-memes-prime-example-of-why-you-dont-skip-leg-12244986
https://me.me/i/looks-like-someone-has-been-skipping-leg-day-rofldump-lol-2977154
Quote from: Body Builder on September 19, 2020, 10:30:22 PMMost of us are completely functional after LL and happy.
Maybe you got lucky, or just don't want to admit that you are not sure if it was a wise decision, and why you're still here if you are happy anyway?
You're not short anymore.
Quote from: Body Builder on September 19, 2020, 10:37:29 PMwhile pain from LL lasts only a few months and then you can live in peace of mind
2Lol!
Quote from: Body Builder on September 19, 2020, 11:33:51 PMLL with a good doctor most and without extreme lengthening is safe and all these problems (like the one I had too with at overlengthening which I fixed with another surgery) could be avoided.
Guichet was considered a good/competent doctor until a few years ago and look what happened
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3560.0
And that Indian guy who trusted him
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64405.0
Quote from: Body Builder on September 18, 2020, 09:43:45 PMIf someone has height neurosis and he doesn't do LL, the only way to get taller, then yes he is a coward and don't deserve nothing else from misery.
Go tell to the Indian guy's parents that above.
Bonus
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=8978.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3922.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3655.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5485.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64558.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9733.0
And many more cases, crippled, grandpa walking, constant pain, additional $urgerie$, etc that we just haven't heard of and never will.
Even when people get 'milder' bad outcomes they are ashamed and don't want to admit it was a sh*t decision. After 20 years they certainly will, but not here.
Rest in peace Indian guy. Rest in peace brother. Died of pulmonary embolism. When struggling to breathe, was on the phone with his father. Father told him to call ER. He refused, thinking it would be okay. Dies the following day. And guichet approved an Asian woman for shietty unregulated weightbearing nails. Asian woman bone density are like basically nothing. Weak af. Greedy ass's surgeon. Fun fact (not so fun actually) unicorn actually recorded the moment her nails cracked in her femur and cracked her bone. It's on her instagram. Crazy shirt. God bless her, was very scary
People!!! Hire a caretaker for the first 2 weeks please for the risk of! And stay in hospital as long as possible! Discharge as late as you can! When you feel well!
And take your blood thinners religiously! And if you have stryde then weight bear alot and exercise legs through out the process, especially post op first week or two
LL surgery is definitely risky. And can be deadly. Follow proper protocol, reduce this risk people's. Thank you
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