Just military press and bench press your way to a bigger frame. If you are taking HGH it will farther improve your results (I believe as I have never taken hormones in my life)
So after all it seems that you don't have small frame as you mentioned and your height is not so short as you think it is.
You are a healthy, less than average height, man like most of us in this forum.
So it is logical to want to be taller but not to say that you are not fully developed because you are.
For your case, especially at your age, hormones won't give you any more height at all.
So try LL or accept your height and body.
There is not any other choice for you.
MrHandsome you do realize you taking test and HGH at the same time will actually close your growth plates? One of the reasons steroids should not be taken pre growth plates being closed is the fact that high test will stunt your growth. What you are suggesting is pointless and is a waste of money. Test will work for the beard and making you more muscular. HGH is not going to do what you want it to do at this age at all. If you don't want your growth plates to fuse right now don't take anything at all.
Also using wrist size to measure frame size is not accurate all the time. My dad has 6 inch wrists and wide shoulders, I see this very often. Wrist size usually doesn't mean anything most of the time you want to know your frame size measure your shoulders and don't just assume if you have small wrist your frame is small. You could have 7 inch wrists but your frame can still be small, even 8 inch wrists.
HGH is seriously one of the most overhyped hormones. Only beneficial if you're an athlete, competitive bodybuilder, deficient in it pre puberty or want to use it to feel younger at a later age. It won't change a thing with any of your long bones, guaranteed. Save your money for LL or something of use.
Quote from: vegeta24 on March 14, 2017, 03:49:03 AMMrHandsome you do realize you taking test and HGH at the same time will actually close your growth plates? One of the reasons steroids should not be taken pre growth plates being closed is the fact that high test will stunt your growth. What you are suggesting is pointless and is a waste of money. Test will work for the beard and making you more muscular. HGH is not going to do what you want it to do at this age at all. If you don't want your growth plates to fuse right now don't take anything at all.
Also using wrist size to measure frame size is not accurate all the time. My dad has 6 inch wrists and wide shoulders, I see this very often. Wrist size usually doesn't mean anything most of the time you want to know your frame size measure your shoulders and don't just assume if you have small wrist your frame is small. You could have 7 inch wrists but your frame can still be small, even 8 inch wrists.
HGH is seriously one of the most overhyped hormones. Only beneficial if you're an athlete, competitive bodybuilder, deficient in it pre puberty or want to use it to feel younger at a later age. It won't change a thing with any of your long bones, guaranteed. Save your money for LL or something of use.
I disagree do huge amounts of fore arm work outs inject HGH into your hand muscles.
Quote from: asfastaslight on March 14, 2017, 05:34:04 AMI disagree do huge amounts of fore arm work outs inject HGH into your hand muscles.
Please don't give medical advice on things you have absolutely no idea about, especially the administration of hormonal drugs. Fingers do not contain muscles (other than arrector pili). The muscles that move the finger joints are in the lower palm and forearm. The long tendons that deliver motion from the forearm muscles may be observed to move under the skin at the wrist and on the back of the hand. HGH would increase bone density and some growth leading to an increase in size in bone in the hands, not muscle.
Advocating the use of HGH and injecting straight into your 'hand muscles' with no actual understanding behind the introduction of hormones into the human body and the effects it has is at best ignorant and at worst dangerous and you can disagree with user vegeta24 but he is correct, the use of HGH will not deliver the results he desires. People throw around and recommend HGH as if it was vitamin tablets and advocate very irresponsible usage that can lead to major issues down the line - please do your own in depth research of what it can and can't do.
If I had eaten more during puberty (wasn't malnourished) and done more sports instead of mostly playing Xbox, would I have gotten a wider frame, a bigger ribcage and thicker wrists, or are these bone sizes mostly genetic?
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on March 14, 2017, 10:22:26 PMIf I had eaten more during puberty (wasn't malnourished) and done more sports instead of mostly playing Xbox, would I have gotten a wider frame, a bigger ribcage and thicker wrists, or are these bone sizes mostly genetic?
Unless you were literally starved for the vast majority of your childhood and adolescent years, the chances are that you weren't malnourished. Many African countries in drought, warfare etc. have children who are actually malnourished and many men there are very tall/athletically built. If it has an effect, it's only substantial when they are truly malnourished and even then, the vast majority of height and build is still genetic (aside from administering drugs/medical issues such as pituitary gland tumors that may affect it). Could you have been bigger built? Possibly, although unlikely and likely not noticeably so.
Trust me, I used to think this. I did the whole works- I had a drug problem as a teenager, I underate for most of my teen years (I mean, I never ate lunch at school because I had no money), had depression (which also spoiled my appetite), didn't sleep properly (during my growth spurt), didn't get out in the sun, didn't do exercise...
I had the luck to meet a student at my university recently doing his PhD in bone development. Well, I can't remember exactly what it was on, but it was something very similar. He put all my worries to rest.
Basically, yes, it does have an effect, but the body's catch-up strategies for growth are pretty remarkable. Apparently there are all sorts of ways in which it compensates for deficiencies in something or other.
If it's a matter of some normal, unhealthy habits, (frequently missing sleep, not getting enough calcium, binge drinking on weekends) you might have lost a few millimetres off your maximum potential height (if that). Nothing at all noticeable.
If it's a matter of being very unhealthy (like really, very unhealthy), then perhaps you could lose an inch or so at the most. But nothing that would really make a difference.
If you have anorexia or are badly malnourished during a growth spurt, then yes, you can lose a few inches- perhaps up to 4 or 5. But this is starvation, not missing meals or whatever.
Quote from: Jack1066 on March 14, 2017, 10:57:43 PMTrust me, I used to think this. I did the whole works- I had a drug problem as a teenager, I underate for most of my teen years (I mean, I never ate lunch at school because I had no money), had depression (which also spoiled my appetite), didn't sleep properly (during my growth spurt), didn't get out in the sun, didn't do exercise...
I had the luck to meet a student at my university recently doing his PhD in bone development. Well, I can't remember exactly what it was on, but it was something very similar. He put all my worries to rest.
Basically, yes, it does have an effect, but the body's catch-up strategies for growth are pretty remarkable. Apparently there are all sorts of ways in which it compensates for deficiencies in something or other.
If it's a matter of some normal, unhealthy habits, (frequently missing sleep, not getting enough calcium, binge drinking on weekends) you might have lost a few millimetres off your maximum potential height (if that). Nothing at all noticeable.
If it's a matter of being very unhealthy (like really, very unhealthy), then perhaps you could lose an inch or so at the most. But nothing that would really make a difference.
If you have anorexia or are badly malnourished during a growth spurt, then yes, you can lose a few inches- perhaps up to 4 or 5. But this is starvation, not missing meals or whatever.
What does your friend said about special diets like veganism/vegetarianism? Do those have any effect?
Btw, there was a docummentary yesterday about toxic compounds found in almost every stuff we eat, wear or walk on. It was about human males becoming less and less manly (physiologically speaking).
Out of nowhere came a part about height and proportions. And indeed this last genertion is tall but it's due to these compounds which mess up the male endocrinologic system making him produce less testosterone which results in more height. What was fascinating is that the research was done on a couple of thousends Italians who are today 19-21 years old. All in all they are 2-3cm taller than those born 5-10 years before them. But was struck the researchers is that these guys although taller, were "shorter" in torso (Actually much shorter almost looking like having kleinefelter syndrome), shoulder width similar to that of a woman and also an average dck size which is 1-2cm shorter. Also less quality sperm and such. Basically, future generation guys are going to look like guys walking on stils with short dcks (That's what the documentary showed) and also unable to bear children or at the very least have a lot of difficulty to get a woman pregnant.
Basically, That these "men" are not really men but a step towards becoming females
This would also explain why immigrants from short countries have much taller sons. These compounds are not hormones but are synthetic ones found in stuff like drink cans, Anti-wet clothes and such
^ Thanks guys. Hopefully this will help to put my suspicion of having stunted my growth to rest.
To top it off, here's a picture of me at 12 years. Malnourished? You decide.
http://i.imgur.com/Mn3AxlA.jpg
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