u guys dont really look at a person in real life. like stare at them . if u watch the nba u can see there legs are long as fuk. if a person is wearing shorts u can see there small tibias but long ass thighs if they did 12 cm. trust me . u see people with jeans its hard to figure but with shorts and if ur staring. u will be like those are some long ass femur bones. watch livelifetaller and compare images. if ur talking about going to walmart and looking who did what its hard to tell because no one told u n u dont stare closely enough. i think 8 cm max really made it slightly for good proportions.
How obvious is it you've done LL (femurs only)?
Quote from: jbfjbj4 on January 31, 2024, 02:12:50 PMIt's not noticeable, and there's one very easy way to prove this:
How many people have you walked past IRL and thought 'they had leg lengthening done'? 0, right? Infact the only times you've ever noticed a proportions imbalance I bet, is from pictures posted on this forum.
All those thousands, tens of thousands of people you've walked past in the street, met at work, gone to college with etc, and you couldn't notice a single one who had LL done. So even people on this forum, who would be 'more trained' to notice such things, wouldn't be able to 'notice' on a stranger unless they were specifically looking for it (which is why asking about your proportions here is useless, as anyone as 'see' something if it's been pointed out to them already).
This is a logical fallacy. How many people worldwide have even had limb lengthening? The more logical answer to your question is the reason you don't notice people in your day to day life with proportions imbalance due to limb lengthening is because they haven't done the surgery.
If you walked past a Turkish clinic with 10cm femur lengthening patients doing follow up your answer would be very different.
Quote from: Beemer m3 on January 30, 2024, 09:48:47 AMthat one guy that did 12 cm on his femurs . he wore tight shorts and u can really see his long thigh. looks like some 7 footer thigh lol. but yeh i looked at a few grls tibia leg and there pretty short compared to mines. so i guess u can tell if u didnt have clothes on.
I don't think it would take a detective anyways to notice that since 12cm on femurs is incredibly noticeable. I actually think that might be too long, but depends on how long his tibia is also in the first place. But if we consider even a high end of the ratio, I feel like the tibia would look far less prominent at that point and imo less appealing and really is just more noticeable that "something isn't right" 'cause it looks unnatural. Like you said it's noticeable with shorts, and that's because of how far the knee is from the shorts' ends.
I talked about this in another thread, but I genuinely know I have short femurs, although not accurate measurements because I haven't had them x-rayed. But I can obviously tell just from being with people taller than me with similar torso lengths and tibial lengths when sitting or standing. Like that other guy who said a similar thing with his friend who's 5'10. But also, in regards to shorts, most shorts for me look baggy and long af. Which is one reason why I hate wearing shorts, because they just don't look aesthetically pleasing to me since a lot of them can level or go down below knee height. Even the "short shorts" were still only a few inches above my knees, but it's the only one that actually accentuates my thighs better. Yes, I know my calves look great esp when it higlights my muscles further, but I still prefer a highlight on even my thighs. It also makes you look slimmer with wearing shorts above knees. An fyr, my wingspan is 5'10~5'11 so I really got screwed by genetics on that end with my legs.
Quote from: Beemer m3 on February 01, 2024, 01:19:07 AMu guys dont really look at a person in real life. like stare at them . if u watch the nba u can see there legs are long as fuk. if a person is wearing shorts u can see there small tibias but long ass thighs if they did 12 cm. Yes for the NBA, but they're an all different beast together, I think it still looks proportional because they were tall to begin with, an avg of 6'6, longer femurs don't look unnatural to shorter tibias. For women it also looks a tad more natural to have longer femurs, but for males below 6' I don't think you're getting away with long ass femurs well above the supposed avg proportions. Sure people won't probably know it's leg lengthening surgery, but they would atleast find it look unnatural in a way. It's why I also think 8cm is probably the hard limit atleast that it won't look too "weird" if you already had long femurs in the first place.
Quote from: 1team on February 01, 2024, 01:48:08 AMIf you walked past a Turkish clinic with 10cm femur lengthening patients doing follow up your answer would be very different.
I still think you don't need to have experienced the surgery or be some expert to know if that leg length looks unnatural or not. It just really depends on the length, and yes that 10cm will be noticeable IF your ratio was already within the avg limits and you either go up/down the avg. A few mm deviations should barely make that difference noticeable, but if you're going well above/below, then that's where things start to look unnatural.
This is why you should still stay within proportions and see if you can imagine or look at yourself compared to other people taller than you. If you're like me or that other fellow, similar tibia/torso height to some taller people, then great you can go femur lengthening to some length atleast without looking our of proportion.
Of course, it'd still take some scrutiny to even notice, atleast without something covering the knee and below it. And people can just argue that's just how their genetics were, if assuming you kept your surgery lowkey and no one close to you knew your pre-height before your young adult years.
As for the scars, I genuinely don't know why people worry about it too much. IMO, it's the least of your worries, esp considering scars can fade overtime and literally a lot of cheap treatments exist for fading and treating scars. I've even had a knife scar on my hand I treated with a home-dermapend treatment, barely visible now.
Quote from: Beemer m3 on February 01, 2024, 01:19:07 AMu guys dont really look at a person in real life. like stare at them . if u watch the nba u can see there legs are long as fuk. if a person is wearing shorts u can see there small tibias but long ass thighs if they did 12 cm. trust me . u see people with jeans its hard to figure but with shorts and if ur staring. u will be like those are some long ass femur bones. watch livelifetaller and compare images. if ur talking about going to walmart and looking who did what its hard to tell because no one told u n u dont stare closely enough. i think 8 cm max really made it slightly for good proportions.
That's the whole point, if you have to watch LLT videos you already KNOW they had LL done and so your perception is forever biased by that knowledge. You wouldn't notice anyone on the street as you've just said yourself, and without the prior knowledge they did lengthen, you couldn't tell.
Of course if you have a before/after comparison image you'll notice even 5cm. But people looking at you IRL don't have that, they don't know you had LL done unless you're stupid enough to tell them, so the 'man on the street who isn't intently staring at you' is indeed the best barometer to use in this situation.
Quote from: 1team on February 01, 2024, 01:48:08 AMThis is a logical fallacy. How many people worldwide have even had limb lengthening? The more logical answer to your question is the reason you don't notice people in your day to day life with proportions imbalance due to limb lengthening is because they haven't done the surgery.
If you walked past a Turkish clinic with 10cm femur lengthening patients doing follow up your answer would be very different.
No, it's not. Obviously I know the vast majority of people you walk past haven't had LL done, but your 'walk past a turkish LL clinic' arms you with the knowledge they DID have it done, and thus makes anything you 'notice' worthless.
You'll have walked past tens of thousands of people, and if you're past your early 20s, it'll be well over 100,000. Statistically speaking you'll have walked past a handful of LL patients. Definitely when we combine that datapool with the other members who also have walked past 100k+ people. And yet not one of you has been able to say you 'noticed' a LL patient without having the prior knowledge that they're a LL patient, ergo we can conclude pretty confidently you wouldn't ever be noticing anything.
Quote from: Beemer m3 on February 06, 2024, 08:18:52 AM
The problem with the guy in the thumbnail of that vid is definitely the t-rex arms.
Bruhh the bigger issue is clearly that his tibias are wwaaaayyy to long compared to his femurs even before LL his tibias are a bit long compared to his femurs. His wingspan makes this even worse tho... He definitely made the wrong choice, gaining less cm safely, worse propertions and taking a bigger risk with tibias...
After literally reading all the posts in the "proportions" section on this forum regarding femur LL where most patients did 7-8 cm the reality is that it's not going to be noticeable unless you point it out to people beforehand. Idk tho if you do more than 8+ cm or if your starting propertions is abnormal to begin with...
Quote from: DanishViking on February 07, 2024, 05:09:46 PMBruhh the bigger issue is clearly that his tibias are wwaaaayyy to long compared to his femurs even before LL his tibias are a bit long compared to his femurs. His wingspan makes this even worse tho... He definitely made the wrong choice, gaining less cm safely, worse propertions and taking a bigger risk with tibias...
After literally reading all the posts in the "proportions" section on this forum regarding femur LL where most patients did 7-8 cm the reality is that it's not going to be noticeable unless you point it out to people beforehand. Idk tho if you do more than 8+ cm or if your starting propertions is abnormal to begin with...
Did you do the surgery or are you just posting your garbage wisdom here?
Quote from: bruhh on February 07, 2024, 01:15:48 AMThe problem with the guy in the thumbnail of that vid is definitely the t-rex arms.
Also the weird tan and the pinkish tone of his legs, the scars(stained with povidone I think), the slightly bowed legs, also a lot thinner than before.
That's drawing lots of attentions to his legs. He wouldn't look nearly as weird without that.
But sure, ideally you should keep the 0.8 ratio, so you lengthen 5 on the femur and 4 on the tibias, not 8 on the tibias.
you gotta weigh though, weird proportions vs 2 surgeries, double the pain, double the price, double the time.
u would think its 2 surgeries but its more like 5 surgeries. frame removal and then nail removal it takes a toll on your health lol. i guess precice is obsolete for that.
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