Bodybuilder,the one doesn't exclude the other
Supporting the research with a small ammount of money doesn't exclude the possibility of doing leg lengthening
Leg lengthening is the present,not the future
This is a serious surgery,don't try to to make seem it too easy
If something goes wrong and there are good chances,you are done.Crippled or worse.End of the story
This can happen to anyone of us,no matter of which doctor.If you are unlucky or your body doesn't handle it,you can face serious complications that can ruin your life.
There are too many unpredictable factors.That's why this surgery will never be the future.
You were lucky on your tibias.But keep in mind that you can still be crippled doing your femurs.
Besides doing LL,our only hope is to become a real community and supporting alternatives:donating for a small shiny hope instead of buying a pack of cigarettes
If all had your attitude ,we would be still sleeping in caves
Hypothetical future technologies that could make an adult grow taller
Yes Dreamer !!! love your attitude bro.
Yes Dreamer !!! love your attitude bro.
Jesus BodyBuilder .... 3 inches ?!?!?! .... that's nuts man ....
Agreed with Body Builder. It's good to dream but I'm too old for potential alternatives that may never come. But if you're young you have the luxury to wait a few years to see if something better comes along. Just don't wait too long: to put things into perspective, Harald was asking for donations since 2006, saying that biomedical height increase could hit mass market in 3-5 years. Of course that estimate is if he had funding, but even then it's impossible for something that changes your body so dramatically to get FDA approval in such a short amount of time (prescription drugs on average take over a decade). He's obviously passionate on the subject and I'm not knocking that, just saying that things take a lot longer than we anticipate.
There's an ongoing joke in the hair loss community for instance, that the cure is five years away (and has been for several decades). For the meantime there are hair transplants, but many hold out on the chance of a cure because they're wary of the procedure. Kind of funny when you compare it to CLL, HT is a breeze in comparison. And much like CLL, there have been only a few revolutions but many evolutions of technique which have made the surgeries much more tolerable with much better results (FUT, FUE, improved tools, PRP, ARTAS System, dense packing, mega sessions, etc.).
So if you're young, I'd wait and see if more evolutions like STRYDE comes along. A revolution in CLL, like the latest jump from externals to internals... That you'll have to wait quite a bit longer for.
Consumer-grade nuclear fusion energy is also always "a decade away" for quite a few decades now.
Quote from: extremis on February 24, 2018, 09:00:44 PM50 years is, again, WAY too conservative. Even if we assume the technology isn't available within the next 10 years, advanced computer systems (sophisticated AIs, data mining algorithms, etc) will be here within 20 for sure. These are already used in research and studies in the fields of Neurology and Cancer research. They speed up discoveries of new techniques for treating diseases by an astounding amount.
fk, that would be so awesome. Let's just dream about it for a second...a safe and reliable method to increase everyone's height in less than 50 years time. I would give my left nut for it.
Quote from: The Dreamer on February 25, 2018, 01:08:21 PMBodybuilder,the one doesn't exclude the other
Supporting the research with a small ammount of money doesn't exclude the possibility of doing leg lengthening
Leg lengthening is the present,not the future
This is a serious surgery,don't try to to make seem it too easy
If something goes wrong and there are good chances,you are done.Crippled or worse.End of the story
This can happen to anyone of us,no matter of which doctor.If you are unlucky or your body doesn't handle it,you can face serious complications that can ruin your life.
There are too many unpredictable factors.That's why this surgery will never be the future.
You were lucky on your tibias.But keep in mind that you can still be crippled doing your femurs.
Besides doing LL,our only hope is to become a real community and supporting alternatives:donating for a small shiny hope instead of buying a pack of cigarettes
If all had your attitude ,we would be still sleeping in caves
No, your example is stupid.
Internal magnetic LL with full weight bearing abilities in not a cave, is something very futuristic.
If you think that being realistic is the same as your example then you are completely delusional.
Support anything you want, for me something like Stryde is enough to become taller. You or extremis could wait for Apocalypse to get taller, who knows it may come sooner than the next 50 years. 
Quote from: extremis on February 25, 2018, 04:29:09 AMThis is a common assertion by people who argue against limb lengthening in general (in your case, you're just arguing against potential replacements for distraction osteogenesis). My answer is the same: this is false. The average will not be "8 feet" if an alternative technique for height increase is developed, no matter how easy, non-invasive, cheap or accessible the procedure is.
The reason why is that there's a limit to how large the human form can become without suffering severe biomechanical problems resulting in massive drops in quality of life.
https://futurism.com/videos/watch-how-big-can-a-person-get/
The ceiling for average human height is in fact more or less what it is in the tallest countries (Netherlands, Dinaric Alps, etc) right now: the range from 6'1" to 6'4". People who are 7 feet tall and above (i.e. acromegaly patients and so on) generally suffer from massive orthopedic problems (knees especially) and die very young (<40 years old). That's not a coincidence. The human body isn't designed to get that big.
PERHAPS if the surgery was cheap and effective enough that everyone on earth could get it, all that would happen is everyone would be the same height (or very close to it). Since this would mean the end of height-based discrimination (if everyone's "tall", then no one is), that shouldn't be a problem for any short person.
I also wanted to add to some of extremis' points. This is a discussion that sometimes is brought tongue-in-cheek here.
The fact of the matter is that above average and tall guys never suffered from negative heightism. In fact, many here have heard from their tall friends things like "women don't care about height". They won't be running to get height increase surgery (HIS). They were never negatively affected by it. They won't even understand the thought process for someone who is a bit below average to get something like that. To them, it'll be like when one of our friends gets a nose job out of the blue, when we thought their nose looked just fine.
Likewise, most women aren't looking to get taller. The ones who do generally have modeling and acting aspirations. A minority. There's no need to worry that the main benefits from height gain will be negated by having easier, more accessible methods around.
Worst case scenario is still a great scenario, as extremis pointed out. Every man would be mostly the same size.
I mean it's nice to fantasize about I guess, but in the very best scenario even if things go even better then planned, this still won't be available while we still have youth left. That is going to be the main reason why this wouldn't get much support from people here. Especially since those here with money are older and don't have the time to wait. I guess you could argue that our children would benefit from it, but if people wanted to change their kids genetics they could just do it directly in fertilization clinics (designer babies). You could literally change the eye color, height and even to whether or not they will be susceptible to alcoholism or certain diseases. That technology is already available and will become more widespread. That technology will eliminate heightism before anything created for adults.
The LL community in general has a number of other unique characteristics that doesn't really lend itself well to this kind of project. People here aren't even willing to research their own LL surgery, what makes you think that they will all come together and try to solve something that they will most likely not benefit from anytime soon.
I'm not being a pessimist I'm just being a "a realist" as many of you are fond of saying.
Not saying you all shouldn't try. I will definitely be watching, hell if you guys raise even 20k , I'll donate 5k myself. I doubt it will get there though
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