if you train hard, you might gain back 110% athleticism.

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Quote from: ForcedPuberty on March 13, 2015, 08:53:57 PMI agree.


I go by what a doctor told someone once.

 I personally asked Dr. Lee what he thought about this (lengthening past 6 cm) and he has told me that from his experience in talking to former lengthening patients (2-3 years post recovery) those that only lengthened 5 cm recovered fully and their previous athleticism returned close to 100% to pre-LL levels. On the other hand, those who chose to lengthen between 6 and 7 centimeters recovered 100% in performing daily functions (walking, light jogging, etc), BUT only recovered about 60-70% of their pre-LL athleticism when engaging in serious sports/strenuous activities (full sprinting, jumping, basketball, rugby,etc..). Additionally, those that lengthened beyond 7 cm saw an ever greater decline in their previous athletic abilities


I think 6cm is the safe zone max.

but I still have that stupid fking voice in the back of my fking head........ it keeps saying........ how about 6.5cm FP...... you can do it....... youll be fine.......... imagine if you could have done it and you didn't go for it.......  all those other people did more than 6cm.......... you can do it.......... DO IT! lol

Does he do Achilles' tendon lengthening, though? That one study on cosmetic ll patients found that all of those whom lengthened between 4-12 cm on their tibias regained their pre-ll athletic ability ONLY when they did Achilles' tendon lengthening.

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QuoteDoes he do Achilles' tendon lengthening, though? That one study on cosmetic ll patients found that all of those whom lengthened between 4-12 cm on their tibias regained their pre-ll athletic ability ONLY when they did Achilles' tendon lengthening

ill teach you a secret.

9 out of 10 people don't need Achilles surgery. even for 10cm ballerina everyone reports that in time it will go back to normal, however in some cases it has taken 1.5 years.

the real problem is knee contracture, it usually heals within 6 months ish, if it doesn't you need quadroplasty.


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we don't know anything about the guy who refused it(from that post you made ages ago), maybe he had a previous injury.

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as long as you can walk your ballerina will fix itself in time, however knee contracture needs surgical intervention if it does not return usually in 6 months. 

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QuoteDoes he do Achilles' tendon lengthening, though? That one study on cosmetic ll patients found that all of those whom lengthened between 4-12 cm on their tibias regained their pre-ll athletic ability ONLY when they did Achilles' tendon lengthening

ill teach you a secret.

9 out of 10 people don't need Achilles surgery. even for 10cm ballerina everyone reports that in time it will go back to normal, however in some cases it has taken 1.5 years.

the real problem is knee contracture, it usually heals within 6 months ish, if it doesn't you need quadroplasty.


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we don't know anything about the guy who refused it(from that post you made ages ago), maybe he had a previous injury.

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as long as you can walk your ballerina will fix itself in time, however knee contracture needs surgical intervention if it does not return usually in 6 months. 

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ok and now for the bad news


that previously mentioned 60-70% (that's a 30-40% loss) of athletic function regained was for people who lengthened between 6 and 7 cm.

what about studies for just 6cm exactly or as an average.

According to Park’s report (Park HW et al, JBJS,2008 ), 25% of the people who lengthen the tibia(6cm in average) was found to have some difficulties in persuing vigorous activity.


you may now cry

I have decided I will stick to 6cm just to be on the safe side. I really believe that 6cm is the upper limit to the safe zone.
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ps. I have not read the report yet lol.

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ok and now for the bad news


that previously mentioned 60-70% (that's a 30-40% loss) of athletic function regained was for people who lengthened between 6 and 7 cm.

what about studies for just 6cm exactly or as an average.

According to Park’s report (Park HW et al, JBJS,2008 ), 25% of the people who lengthen the tibia(6cm in average) was found to have some difficulties in persuing vigorous activity.


you may now cry

I have decided I will stick to 6cm just to be on the safe side. I really believe that 6cm is the upper limit to the safe zone.
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ps. I have not read the report yet lol.

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i don't know if he does Achilles surgery you should ask him.

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but don't worry everyone i have bad news for myself also.

QuoteIf both Tibia and Femur are lengthened sequentially, the maximum to be 10cm in total. But, one more important thing is to consider body ratio. So, I recommend to decide the target considering the safety, recovery of sports activity and body ratio.

im doing 11cm back to back. 6cm tibia, 5cm femur, please lord let me get through it. but i had amazing flexibility for femurs so i think i can handle it......... i hope.

(well precisely my femur operation is 6 months from the date of tibia surgery) so there is a little gap.

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i don't know if he does Achilles surgery you should ask him.

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but don't worry everyone i have bad news for myself also.

QuoteIf both Tibia and Femur are lengthened sequentially, the maximum to be 10cm in total. But, one more important thing is to consider body ratio. So, I recommend to decide the target considering the safety, recovery of sports activity and body ratio.

im doing 11cm back to back. 6cm tibia, 5cm femur, please lord let me get through it. but i had amazing flexibility for femurs so i think i can handle it......... i hope.

(well precisely my femur operation is 6 months from the date of tibia surgery) so there is a little gap.

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Quote from: ForcedPuberty on March 14, 2015, 02:10:30 AMok and now for the bad news


that previously mentioned 60-70% (that's a 30-40% loss) of athletic function regained was for people who lengthened between 6 and 7 cm.

what about studies for just 6cm exactly or as an average.

According to Park’s report (Park HW et al, JBJS,2008 ), 25% of the people who lengthen the tibia(6cm in average) was found to have some difficulties in persuing vigorous activity.


you may now cry

I have decided I will stick to 6cm just to be on the safe side. I really believe that 6cm is the upper limit to the safe zone.
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ps. I have not read the report yet lol.

Lol I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, but that doesn't sound that bad at all. I can live with "some difficulties" pursuing vigorous physical activity (and I'm not so sure powerlifting and strongman were included as sports in the report).

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Quote from: ForcedPuberty on March 14, 2015, 02:10:30 AMok and now for the bad news


that previously mentioned 60-70% (that's a 30-40% loss) of athletic function regained was for people who lengthened between 6 and 7 cm.

what about studies for just 6cm exactly or as an average.

According to Park’s report (Park HW et al, JBJS,2008 ), 25% of the people who lengthen the tibia(6cm in average) was found to have some difficulties in persuing vigorous activity.


you may now cry

I have decided I will stick to 6cm just to be on the safe side. I really believe that 6cm is the upper limit to the safe zone.
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ps. I have not read the report yet lol.

Lol I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, but that doesn't sound that bad at all. I can live with "some difficulties" pursuing vigorous physical activity (and I'm not so sure powerlifting and strongman were included as sports in the report).

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it would have been helpful if those studies indicate what the post-op training regimen was like.
if it is nba-style, I think u can recover almost 100% OF YOUR POTENTIAL.
I am not interested in potential. I think many of us have unrealised potential.
example now, if my vertical jump is 60 cm, I can actually probably jump 80 cm  if I try hard enough (plyometrics, lower body fat)
if, after LL, my vertical jump is 70 cm after more vigorous training (training that ive never done before), and 70 cm is my maximum potential....that's not that bad
because at the end of the day, my vertical jump increased from 60 cm to 70 cm after LL.
but my POTENTIAL decreased from 80 cm to 70 cm.
POTENTIAL is hugely theoretical... not interested in it.

I hope this is not too tough to understand.. its always difficult for slower people to grasp such concepts which they are not accustomed to.... but this isn't a really high IQ analysis at all...........