I'm 4 ft 11 in

Hey, since you don't have dwarfism, yeah of course your proportion will bizarrely stick out if you really lengthen yourself up to 5'3 or even 5'5 as you wish, ntm you can't even really lengthen that much because you don't have dwarfism and your biomechanism will not be the same as a dwarf's, the latter who can do that because their nerves are just 'curled up'(?), and the lengths of their nerves are normal.
I know it sounds extremely disappointing because being short for a man is even way worse than having cancers Ebola AIDS and PVS.
If I were you I would try lust-murdering 100 10+ y.o minors or raming into a crowd... yeah being short gives me the affinity to commit horrible crimes to unleash my frustrations and inferior complexity... and blood.

Well jeez I wouldnt day its that bad! Lol. I get what you mean though...  Easy to get to that conclusion... Thank you I'm glad I'm not the only one wrapped up in the unfairness. With most other issues at least it doesnt feel like you're a joke to the world. Hang in there.

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hey man i read your post and i relate to the feeling of being judged for something you never chose

there is hope for you and a realistic path is quadrilateral lengthening for about 5 inches total so you can go from 4ft11 to around 5ft4 after everything is finished

most people who care about proportions usually start with femur first because it gives a big visual change and keeps the body looking more natural then if you still want more height you add tibia later to reach the full goal

the exact numbers depend on your x rays your hip knee ankle alignment your soft tissue flexibility and what your surgeon thinks is safe for you but 5 inches overall is the kind of target people plan as a long term two stage journey not a quick one

about looking like a child, height helps a lot but so do other things that make you look like a grown man build muscle especially shoulders back legs keep a mature haircut and facial hair if you can dress sharp and keep posture strong those changes stack together with the height


most people do some mix of saving for a long time personal loans or medical loans family help and sometimes selling a car or moving cheaper for a year to build cash the safest approach is save as much as possible first so you are not trapped by debt during recovery because you will want freedom to focus on rehab not bills

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Can you provide us with your measurements in terms of femur and tibia or legs in general? I think that would help us figure out how much you could/should lengthen.

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being 5'9 and getting scoffed at by some heightist sloots in heels that you tried greasing up on at "da club" aint the same as being 4'11 and making it to 28 without roping, OP is living life on the legendary difficulty setting and deserves a medal


OP, you need to use mechanical internal nail for 4 inches femur, will cost something like 60k USD for the surgery, 10-15k more for food, therapy and accommodation

- giotikas - gnail (top choice)
- guichet - gnail
- becker - betz nail

and after youre done you should do another round of the same nail with your femur doctor on your tibias or you can do LON tibia for 3 inches with these docs

premium options:
- giotikas
- donghoon lee

super cheap options:
- dr quynh in saigon
- dr doan in hanoi

nevermind your wingspan, you need to extend your legs the maximum amount possible without crippling yourself, and hopefully you can get to something like 5'6

then at 5'6 you can use thick boots like timbs to be 5'8-5'8.5

that and getting a good athletic lean physique (dont bulk like a standard gymcel, it looks ridiculous and ugly) will make your 30s somewhat survivable given you move to south east asia and start over
The only valid and useful reply over this thread.
Btw can he really lengthen that much? 17.5cm is really crazy especially for a person whose height is 4'11, because as we all know, the shorter you are the less you can lengthen(This world is just so brutal lmfao).
And yeah, I totally agree that this life is really on the legendarily difficult mode and OP can be nearly on the apex of the list of those who are living in 'Les Miserables' and even the users of this very forum. Tbh, I can't really imagine living a life with only 4'11 height.
I am a 162cm midget and life is already incredibly hard for me, and I am even having multiple mental issues and complexity mostly due to this, and tbh I don't know what I would be like if I were 4'11.
I can feel your empathy but 17.5cm is really implausible for OP, though like you I can also feel his pain.

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If you have achondroplasia or any form of dwarfism, it is crucial to seek guidance from an expert. I recommend starting with Dr. Pili, who specializes in this area. He employs advanced techniques for limb lengthening and is also capable of lengthening the humerus and forearm.

In your case, my first choice would definitely be Dr. Pili

Look up this link:

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Some terrible replies in this thread. Brother know that there is hope if you want to go this option. You can do 8cm on femur and get to 5’2. Add two more inches to your tibia if you want and get to 5’4. I am currently 5’4 lengthening to 5’7 and never go mistaken as child. You won’t get mistaken as a child at 5’2 either. Don’t go to any of the doctors or listen to people telling you to lengthen more than the recommended 13cm. 5’4 life is fine especially with your starting height you will feel a big difference. Even at 5’2 you’d feel a big improvement. Don’t worry about proportions only people exploring ll notice them.

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5 inches is already a massive change for someone who’s 4’11. Recommending more like it’s nothing is just retarded. Dont listen to these idiots who write what you like to hear. They will not be around when you become cripple. Okay i understans your condition aswell but theres no point if you lose function and stuck on a wheelchair. Most of these replys are just trolls who doesn flyn fk about your condition.

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Hello. Before I start, I'd like to apologize if I sound mopey. I'm not looking for pity, but more so what to do in my very specific situation. I'm from the US if that helps.

I dont have dwarfism, this is caused by  ty genetics and severe malnourishment as a child. Both sides of my family are on the shorter side, most women being my height, and the men being 5 ft 6 max.
Additionally, I was treated as an after thought as a child and was taken out of public school at certain point. I was lucky if I ate one meal a day. I was 85 pounds at age 19, and that only changed because  for lack of a better word escaped. I'm 28 now and average weight for my height.

I didnt really think much of my height for awhile especially being around mainly women but once I got out into the real world I realized how the world views me. And its not nice. I am mistaken for a child, and when I worked in a public setting I would have people go up to me multiple times a day to ask if I was old enough to work there. I've had strangers take pictures of me and film me. I've had people walk passed me and straight up laugh.

Eventually I just started building my life around avoiding people and ive become a total hermit. I went out of my way to purposely find an at home job so no one has to see me, I work way over full time so I can afford to live alone, and I have all my groceries delivered to me. I only have two friends, and they're online.

Is there any hope for me?? I mean, I dream of being a solid 5 ft 3. To be 5 ft 5 would be euphoric. Its crazy to me that thats considered too short by people. Lol. I just feel like I'm at the end of my rope... doesnt feel like this is any way to live yknow?

My main problem is proportions. I'm afraid I'd still look like w child because im still small overall. But I guess the goal is to be more comfortable. Second problem is income... How did you start financing? Did yall take out loans? And third.. what was your experience overall if youve done the surgery?

I would look at quadrilateral, im currently 5'5 and I won't lie I hate it very much but if you can even live at 4'11 than 5'5 will be great for you, and many 5'5 men dont do LL and im sure there are some number that find it livable. It is a disadvantage, a major one, but I think you still have a chance to have a good life at 5'5, just much harder compared to someone who's 5'10 or higher. No such thing as people questioning my age or asking if I can work etc. there has been some mild teasing and bullying throughout my life but on a number of occasions I could count on one hand at least in my adult life. But I also dont go out much so that's a smaller sample size. The negative effects are mostly a feeling of personal embarrassment.

Maybe do 2x LL then move to a shorter country and then it's like even more than if you stayed in America or wherever you are. I know depending on the demographics of the room my height can feel either very barely within the average range (and this is with big shoes, not lifts or height boosting shoes but add about 1.6in) or short. I do live in a taller area of the USA though.

You can actually lengthen even more than 16cm but I would never recommend that unless your proportion starting is amazing or you just say fk it. Paley is supposedly allowing one of the users here who already did 15 or 16cm who started from around my height to do a 3rd lengthening. But not recommended and obviously Paley is expensive as fk.

As for financing the best option is to just choose a good career in a cheap area and live as cheap as you can. There is financing via lightstream but it's playing with fire becuase that debt can explode and ruin your life as well. Also choose careers which do online interviews as you're height is likely to meaningfully disadvantage you in a face to face interview. I do SWE so all my stuff is online, so a nice bonus is I can't be disadvantaged cause of my height in interviews, but I doubt in this specific field being 5'5 would really be a meaningful disadvantage.

If you have family that cares I would ask them for help. Someone my height would probably not get a supportive response from most people but someone who's 4'11, people are much more likely to understand.

I would look at foreign doctors who can be a little cheaper, maybe giotikas he has a decent record. as for the US/canada assayag and gdalevitch seem to have good records and are the cheapest here but still in the 60-70k (67) range

Well jeez I wouldnt day its that bad! Lol. I get what you mean though...  Easy to get to that conclusion... Thank you I'm glad I'm not the only one wrapped up in the unfairness. With most other issues at least it doesnt feel like you're a joke to the world. Hang in there.

lmao an insanely measured reaction to one of the most insane creatures of this forum

My condolences boyo, 162 aint fun as well but OP at 4'11 is honestly a forum legend at this point


To answer your inquiry:
Basically the 8+5 limit came from paley and it has to do with how much you can effectively lengthen against how quick you can recover your athleticism and how fast you can do it time wise

Generally speaking the vast majority of the people are going to want to minimize their downtime and get to enjoying their new heights asap and getting 3 inches on femur is a good result that allows for almost perfect recovery


We have seen from low inhibition gigaextenders like apo, sedat the turkcel and le tremba the german scammer with the 3000 euro consultation fee that 20 cm is achievable however you're looking at twice as long of a recovery and greatly diminished athleticism post recovery but the body will still recover at some point and revert to some form of normal function


Given that op is starting the race at 4'11 he surely has more to gain from pure height compared to being able to sprint full speed or jump up high for sports

its hilarious how when it comes to LL everyone is trying to play professional sports. Yes athletics are impacted but the more I learn of LL the less concerned I get about it. Unless you are trying to be a professional athlete or go to a bad doctor and dont listen you'll be fine for daily function. Even In the case of a bad doctor unless you have some actual complication youll eventually recover with PT and such things I think.

I think everyone is subconsciously trying to find 'the catch' to this. there really isnt a catch aside from not being perfect proportionally and the cost/time. Just like your average retard looking at a LL post and saying "HIS PROPORTION IS OFF!" when there's 0 chance they would tell anything without it being in the context of LL. Like people saying dynzell sigers has t-rex arms when his wingspan is like -1in from his height which is incredibly normal.  If we're being honest even tremba looks fine, at least in the pics ive seen. he just looks bad cause he's crippled right now.

The reason this surgery isnt popular is the cost/time factors and simply that the people here are on the very edge of the bell curve. I wish I could invest in limb lengthening surgery as there is pretty much nothing I'm more sure will grow at least 5x in market in the next 20 years. Its a huge market that's simply untapped becuase people are too scared or dont know enough to want to do it.

Hello. Before I start, I'd like to apologize if I sound mopey. I'm not looking for pity, but more so what to do in my very specific situation. I'm from the US if that helps.

I dont have dwarfism, this is caused by  ty genetics and severe malnourishment as a child. Both sides of my family are on the shorter side, most women being my height, and the men being 5 ft 6 max.
Additionally, I was treated as an after thought as a child and was taken out of public school at certain point. I was lucky if I ate one meal a day. I was 85 pounds at age 19, and that only changed because  for lack of a better word escaped. I'm 28 now and average weight for my height.

I didnt really think much of my height for awhile especially being around mainly women but once I got out into the real world I realized how the world views me. And its not nice. I am mistaken for a child, and when I worked in a public setting I would have people go up to me multiple times a day to ask if I was old enough to work there. I've had strangers take pictures of me and film me. I've had people walk passed me and straight up laugh.

Eventually I just started building my life around avoiding people and ive become a total hermit. I went out of my way to purposely find an at home job so no one has to see me, I work way over full time so I can afford to live alone, and I have all my groceries delivered to me. I only have two friends, and they're online.

Is there any hope for me?? I mean, I dream of being a solid 5 ft 3. To be 5 ft 5 would be euphoric. Its crazy to me that thats considered too short by people. Lol. I just feel like I'm at the end of my rope... doesnt feel like this is any way to live yknow?

My main problem is proportions. I'm afraid I'd still look like w child because im still small overall. But I guess the goal is to be more comfortable. Second problem is income... How did you start financing? Did yall take out loans? And third.. what was your experience overall if youve done the surgery?

Hey, man...
Your height is because genetic reasons, not because malnutrition. In Africa many people live in starvation, but they are 1.80 m, or even taller. Tall skeletons...

But your situation is really tough...
The "standard" quad lengthening as 8+5 cm is not available at this height, its working for people over 1.60 m, because you can get crippled. Nerves cannot extend unlimited in short time.
The only way for you is to do 4 separate surgeries, 6+6 cm on femurs then 4+4 cm on tibias, with minimum 6 months in between, so your soft tissues to adapt slowly. That could give you a total of 20 cm.... but, if your wingspan now is not longer than your height, you will finally look like a T-Rex. Same about your torso height !
And, obviously, you will need LOTS of money and it will take years !

Also, if possible, just move in SE Asia and you will feel much less your height dysphoria...

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Hey just wanted to thank everyone in this thread for being so supportive I can't remember the last time I've been treated with this much kindness I really mean it.

Giving me home for a future. But Jesus the cost!!!! I can't see me realistically saving that much. With my credit I can borrow maybe 5k max lol. Got a lot of research to do... Any advice on this specifically is welcomed

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