Is it worth it at 5’9

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It was for me. I'm very happy at my new height (basically 6' 1") and would do it again.

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Check out the chart on this study:
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=573743071&hl=en&sxsrf=AM9HkKkO2J9g5yOiloFVotrHAkkioxR1XA:1697450179589&q=womens+acceptance+of+potential+male+partners+based+on+male+height&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicuunXpvqBAxVJm4kEHUblCQQQ0pQJegQIDBAB&biw=1120&bih=628&dpr=3#imgrc=ownS8Rgg6rWCbM

A man's height determines his dating pool. Their findings demonstrated the cutoffs at which women consider a man too short or too tall:

-90% of women will reject a man who is 5'4" based solely on his height.

-65% of women will reject a man who is 5'7" based solely on his height.

-50% of women will reject a man who is 5'8" based solely on his height.

-14% of women will reject a man who is 5'10" based solely on his height.

-1.5% of women will reject a man who is 6' based solely on his height.

-Past 6'2", women begin to increase rejections of men for being too tall.

-30% of women believe there is no such thing as a man being "too tall."

-Over 94% of women will reject a man solely for him being too short.

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Further analysis of their data demonstrates the importance of every inch of height for men, as two inches of height gain for a man can be found to have the following results:

- A man in the 5'4-5'6" range will have more than double the potential number of female partners with 2" height gain.
- A 5'4" man will have 2.3 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height.
- A 5'7" man will have 1.86 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height.
- Benefits become insignificant past 5'10".
- Below 5'1" a 2" height gain also makes an insignificant difference, as even after 2" gain, a man at this height is still "too short" for most women to consider.

Because the few women who are willing to date a shorter men are also generally willing to date a taller man as well, the competition for women willing to date shorter men becomes extremely high. This means:

- A 5' man must "beat" over 12 men (most of whom will be taller) to get a girl accepting of his height.
- A 5'4" man will have to "beat" over 7 other men (most of whom will be taller) to get a girl accepting of his height.
- 5'10 to 6'4" men have the least competition as the demand for these men outpaces their supply, and statistically overall women must compete for these men rather than vice versa.

This is for if you are looking to do LL for dating options. I am assuming the benefit ratio for ability to make money, living happier, living longer, getting more respect from peers would be similar to these studies as well. You gotta ask yourself cost benefit ratio is worth it to go from 5'9.

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https://www.gertstulp.com/pdf/Stulp%20et%20al%202013_Anim%20Behav_The%20height%20of%20choosiness.pdf

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Quote from: palm_trees on October 16, 2023, 11:30:46 AMhttps://www.gertstulp.com/pdf/Stulp%20et%20al%202013_Anim%20Behav_The%20height%20of%20choosiness.pdf
Enjoyed reading. Thanks for sharing it. Interesting to see some things we all kinda knew vaguely get quantified.

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It is worth it if you think it's worth it.

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I would like to give my 2 cents after reading the whole convo.

1. YOU SHOULD NEVER UNDERGO THE PROCEDURE FOR DATING REASONS

Read carefully, you need to understand the reason you are going to do this is FOR YOU, I know most would believe that increasing its own height somehow gives you a instant "girl magnet"; hear me out IT DOES NOT. This procedure is difficult, painful, expensive, and stressful if you make your mind on the dating basis you won't be mentally prepared for it. You need to be able to understand that even though height is a real and important factor to boost your overall confidence it can not be the foundation for this surgery. Separate the concepts, I would not ever deny that girls prefer taller men, but the point is you need to erase from your mind this as the reason for your procedure, you will regret it.

2. BODY DYSMORPHIA IS REAL AT ANY HEIGHT

There is this misconception that if you are above average you should be ok and accept yourself as you are. It does not work like that the pressure you feel when you are not as you internally feel you should be can be overwhelming.. Im talking about people (like me) who feel unbearable psycological pain for not been taller enough. And yes, you can use and should use psychological therapy, but let's face it, it never goes away so if you are 5'11 or 5'6 there is people who can legit suffer from it.

Hope it helps someone..

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Have you done the procedure yourself? And the dating part is the core essence for our existence, to procreate. Without the ability to partner a man suffers serious quality of life issues.

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Well I dont know sxxa, my intuition and observation tells me that attractive people have it easier. You can screw up more without serious repercussions, you have access to things, bad feelings go away easier. Humans are ultimately present moment based, and the only thing you have when evaluating a person in the present moment, is the visage of that person.

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Quote from: sxxa on October 19, 2023, 03:30:30 PMI would like to give my 2 cents after reading the whole convo.

1. YOU SHOULD NEVER UNDERGO THE PROCEDURE FOR DATING REASONS

Read carefully, you need to understand the reason you are going to do this is FOR YOU, I know most would believe that increasing its own height somehow gives you a instant "girl magnet"; hear me out IT DOES NOT. This procedure is difficult, painful, expensive, and stressful if you make your mind on the dating basis you won't be mentally prepared for it. You need to be able to understand that even though height is a real and important factor to boost your overall confidence it can not be the foundation for this surgery. Separate the concepts, I would not ever deny that girls prefer taller men, but the point is you need to erase from your mind this as the reason for your procedure, you will regret it.

2. BODY DYSMORPHIA IS REAL AT ANY HEIGHT

There is this misconception that if you are above average you should be ok and accept yourself as you are. It does not work like that the pressure you feel when you are not as you internally feel you should be can be overwhelming.. Im talking about people (like me) who feel unbearable psycological pain for not been taller enough. And yes, you can use and should use psychological therapy, but let's face it, it never goes away so if you are 5'11 or 5'6 there is people who can legit suffer from it.

Hope it helps someone..

I completely agree with you. The last time I was insulted because I'm over 5'11, it felt like I had no legitimacy, which I can understand. We do things primarily for ourselves before considering others. It's similar to how we have to like our own clothes before worrying about how others perceive our outfits.

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Quote from: sxxa on October 19, 2023, 03:30:30 PMI would like to give my 2 cents after reading the whole convo.

1. YOU SHOULD NEVER UNDERGO THE PROCEDURE FOR DATING REASONS

Read carefully, you need to understand the reason you are going to do this is FOR YOU, I know most would believe that increasing its own height somehow gives you a instant "girl magnet"; hear me out IT DOES NOT. This procedure is difficult, painful, expensive, and stressful if you make your mind on the dating basis you won't be mentally prepared for it. You need to be able to understand that even though height is a real and important factor to boost your overall confidence it can not be the foundation for this surgery. Separate the concepts, I would not ever deny that girls prefer taller men, but the point is you need to erase from your mind this as the reason for your procedure, you will regret it.

2. BODY DYSMORPHIA IS REAL AT ANY HEIGHT

There is this misconception that if you are above average you should be ok and accept yourself as you are. It does not work like that the pressure you feel when you are not as you internally feel you should be can be overwhelming.. Im talking about people (like me) who feel unbearable psycological pain for not been taller enough. And yes, you can use and should use psychological therapy, but let's face it, it never goes away so if you are 5'11 or 5'6 there is people who can legit suffer from it.

Hope it helps someone..

Let's just disregard the women / dating aspects to wanting to get LL done as a short man in a society that makes it extremely challenging for short men to try and succeed in. Many average height and tall dudes love to larp that "its all about confidence", and "As a 6'1 guy I can tell you that being tall isn't all that..."

Look at this random scientific study, its quite brutal.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1570677X11001523

Using an Italian survey, we investigate the effect of height on individual happiness. We find that a large part of the effect of height on well-being is driven by a positive correlation between height and economic and health conditions. However, for young men the effect of height on happiness persists even after controlling for these variables, implying that height is associated with some psycho-social direct effects on well-being. Consistent with this hypothesis, we find that men care not only about their own height but also about the height of others in their reference group. Well-being is greater for individuals who are taller than other men in their reference group. Results are robust to different definitions of reference group and controlling for a number of other reference group characteristics.

Highlights

>We investigate the association between height and individual subjective well-being in Italy.

>We find that height is positively associated with the well-being of 18-42 years old males.

>We find a relative height effect for young males.

>These results possibly suggest a self-esteem or social dominance effect of height on well-being.

Once you start reading beyond the abstract it gets so much worse:

>Being tall is associated with a number of advantages. Tall people (excluding the extremely tall) are more likely to have a long term partner and to have children (Nettle, 2002a, Nettle, 2002b); they attain higher levels of education (Magnusson et al., 2006) and receive higher wages than shorter people, even after controlling for the level of education acquired, the type of job performed (Persico et al., 2004, Herpin, 2005, Heineck, 2006, Case and Paxson, 2008, Hubler, 2009, Cinnirella et al., 2011) and irrespective of the physical strenuousness of the job (Bockerman et al., 2010). In addition, they have more chance of playing sports at a professional level or becoming supermodels (Saint Onge et al., 2008).1 Height seems to have a strong inverse association with suicide risk (Magnusson et al., 2005) and it is also positively associated with life expectancy (Koch, 2011). All these findings together seem to indicate that there is more chance of tall people enjoying a better life. This is confirmed by some empirical papers that find a positive correlation between height and subjective well-being (Keyes, 1980, Cohen, 2009, Rees et al., 2009, Deaton and Arora, 2009, Denny, 2010). As height is also associated with some costs, for example expenses for special clothes, high ceiling homes, the relationship between height and well-being is probably an inverse U.

Many larps online say you don't need LL as a short man, and to "just be confident bro", as if heightism was only relevant in the world of dating. The unfortunate truth is being a very short man is playing life on ultra hard mode, everything you do, everything you want in life, your height overshadows you and permeates it all. Many will say we are simply insecure for wanting this surgery and to just compensate on other aspects to get more women. The honest truth is heightism goes far beyond that, as I'm sure many of us can attest to. In my opinion, this is potentially the truly life changing, game changing, transformation that can benefit in every aspect of life especially if they are in the very short 5'4 - 5'6 category.