Is there any fix if patients turn into disabilities resulting from LL accidents?

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U can go to donghoon lee if u want..he is korean and is also an excellent surgeon.

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Quote from: questpeanut on December 31, 2020, 03:35:46 PMThat's obviously not true. There are plenty of people just in this forum who have been.

Although technically you can actually become disabled similar to what happened with unicorn for example, you see it coming a mile off. If you are not a complete idiot and listen to your body, the doctor and do your physiotherapy than everything will go well. You will not become disabled overnight. It is a gradual process if you ignore all the warning signs.

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Quote from: Alamin on January 09, 2021, 01:10:39 PMU can go to donghoon lee if u want..he is korean and is also an excellent surgeon.
High price but bad cost performance.To experience his surgery you gotta pay the price equal to Betz's surgery for him.

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Quote from: Jamesy998 on January 09, 2021, 02:56:40 PMAlthough technically you can actually become disabled similar to what happened with unicorn for example, you see it coming a mile off. If you are not a complete idiot and listen to your body, the doctor and do your physiotherapy than everything will go well. You will not become disabled overnight. It is a gradual process if you ignore all the warning signs.
If he holds a knife to compel his surgeon to lengthen his legs by 1 l.y. but finally he blames disability on his surgeon then I think LL is not the key to solving his problems but special educations are.
As long as patients listen to his surgeons and physiotherapists,they won't become disabled all of a sudden.

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The changes are very less if you are not lengthening more than 1 mm per day and doing it with a good surgeon. It is possible though, But more people get disabled because of road accidents than from limb lengthening.

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Quote from: Tartar on January 09, 2021, 03:32:54 AMYou don’t know what you are talking about, tell me a crippled person by a REPUTABLE doctor.

Ah, scroll up a little and read what you said before: "there's no way you become disabled for LL".

Good thing you are starting to change what you said to reflect the truth: There are definitely risks of permanent injury from limb lengthening.

Also, Guichet is considered a pioneer in limb lengthening. Even with a "reputable" doctor, you are not 100% risk free. Of course, if you have 100k+ to spare and take the maximum precautions, there is a significant reduction of this risk. I trust that 99% of Paley's patients would do just fine with maybe minor problems. But it doesn't matter if you have a billion dollars, no doctor in this world is a god that can guarantee 100%, and to say there is "no way" you can become disabled is absolutely incorrect. Everything in life has a risk and it's best if you don't lie to yourself into delusion.

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I think there is just difference in understandings and ppl answering different questions from each other. Disability as in permanently wheel chair bound? Unfixable even after 10 years of rehab? Probably not unless a nerve is decapitated.

 Extreme examples: Unicorn broke her femur and has been recovering for years- but I firmly believe she will recover to the point where she can have a completely normal gait and jog given time.

Another example: Android lengthen too fast and suffered nerve damage and drop foot, essentially lost most function in ankle? He's been recovering for past year and half and is regaining nerve motion in ankle and can already walk alot and move. Ankles recovering great. I also confident his nerve is going to grow back and he will run normal with normal ankle function one day. Slow and steady.

My smooth brained guy Shahn Jesus Andersen aka Apo ran a mile in 10 minutes after 7 years post LL  after 20cm lengthening and arm lengthening. Anything is possible.

So... LL causing Major disability that ruins life for years temporarily and can cause permanent lasting damage? Definitely, happens to many users on this forum

But cripplied to the point they need wheelchair or crutches forever with no chance of rehab even in 10 years and no reoperations can fix? I don't think so unless the surgeon literally cut a huge nerve or something in which that case it's not LL it's called criminal negligence. Even thy worse horrible failures will be able to at least have their mobility back eventually

Remember LL is limb Salvage. People are saved from amputation and permanent loss of limbs with LL not the other way around. It is really really hard to cripple to the point where you can't be fixed up again. Yes you can be injured to the point where you may never run fast ever again. That's obvious. But you will probably walk fine one day

Both ideas are very valid. LL in the end can leave you disabled for a LOONG time, though the risk of lifetime bedridden lifestyle is probably not gonna happen

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Quote from: questpeanut on January 13, 2021, 02:21:17 AMAh, scroll up a little and read what you said before: "there's no way you become disabled for LL".

Good thing you are starting to change what you said to reflect the truth: There are definitely risks of permanent injury from limb lengthening.

Also, Guichet is considered a pioneer in limb lengthening. Even with a "reputable" doctor, you are not 100% risk free. Of course, if you have 100k+ to spare and take the maximum precautions, there is a significant reduction of this risk. I trust that 99% of Paley's patients would do just fine with maybe minor problems. But it doesn't matter if you have a billion dollars, no doctor in this world is a god that can guarantee 100%, and to say there is "no way" you can become disabled is absolutely incorrect. Everything in life has a risk and it's best if you don't lie to yourself into delusion.
I'm bored replying to people who don't know what they are talking about, you are extremely imprecise both reading and writing, I don't even told that you need one of the most popular and reputable doctors, I only said that The LL PROCEDURE ITSELF has not the risk to let a person PERMANENT crippled
Reflect expecially on the word PERMANENT because that's extremely inaccurate to think that if you have any problem you'll be crippled forever. Everyone in the LL surgery will be crippled, it can be for a caouple of moths, for 6 months or for more than 1 year. Obv need a good doctor, I mean you just need somebody who knows what he's doing. You just need to avoid damages to nerves like femoral or ischiatic and to preserve joints, expecially for externals procedures where many unprepared doctors could start to think up the most bizzare techniques. For example if you, due to ignorance, manipulate the ankle joint in barbaric ways with screws during a tibia external you could fk up the ankle joints with permanent damages, that could be partially fixed anyway.

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Quote from: questpeanut on January 13, 2021, 02:21:17 AMAh, scroll up a little and read what you said before: "there's no way you become disabled for LL".

Good thing you are starting to change what you said to reflect the truth: There are definitely risks of permanent injury from limb lengthening.

Also, Guichet is considered a pioneer in limb lengthening. Even with a "reputable" doctor, you are not 100% risk free. Of course, if you have 100k+ to spare and take the maximum precautions, there is a significant reduction of this risk. I trust that 99% of Paley's patients would do just fine with maybe minor problems. But it doesn't matter if you have a billion dollars, no doctor in this world is a god that can guarantee 100%, and to say there is "no way" you can become disabled is absolutely incorrect. Everything in life has a risk and it's best if you don't lie to yourself into delusion.
Then I'm still wondering how you concluded there were many disabled people in this forum?There are 6614 members in this forum and I'm surprised you should check all their posts out?!
What's more,it's right that you said patients are not 100% risk free.But the problems are not only disabilities.Your saying make me misunderstand that there are only two results:grow taller and disability.Actually if you turned into reputable doctors like Paley,it'd be nearly impossible for you to get permanently disabled unless you don't listen to Paley's commands.
As technique evolves there are lower and lower possibilities that you will get permanently disabled.Think abt it.
30 yrs ago there is only one method adopted to this surgery:ilizarov flxation.But nowadays even Precise II has come out.So it's difficult to imagine what amazing techinique will come out and what that looks like.
The ending of LL is that every short lady and gentleman can grow taller safely,quickily and conveniently.You can't deny rapid changes in this world.