Let's all get down to Reality.

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Quote from: crimsontide on March 13, 2015, 02:39:26 PMthis guy is obviously promoting these shoes

if you go the right dr, youll be fine


 you will never change your life and be happy just by wearing shoes..

you will always be nervous about having to take the shoes off, walking oddly,etc... not to mention theres only a limited amount of extra height you actually get

you do not gain moe from lifts than surgery...


end of story

that's what I thought.

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Quote from: YellowSpike on March 09, 2015, 04:45:36 PM
As it relates to cosmetic surgery, even though we should have the ability to choose for ourselves, I still think that LL should be reserved for little people (being taller will benefit them in many practical ways, as well as social/dating/self-image) and men around 5'6" and below. Though, once again, I understand why average/even above average men may want LL (they felt "robbed" of height because their parents were tall, all their friends are giants, etc.). But if you're at least as tall or a little taller than most women/around the world average, I think maybe psychological help may benefit you a lot. Because you're at a height where, yeah, it would be nice to be taller, but you're not a midget and a lot of it may be in your head.

Why do you think it should be reserved for short people only?
I think everyone should have the right to decide weither they want it or not by them selves. Right know you are dicriminating taller people just because of their statue. Shouldn't this forum be about being open-minded towards everyone, since we all want to acciev the ultimate goal of getting taller?.

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Quote from: Alittletooshort on March 13, 2015, 02:56:08 PMWhy do you think it should be reserved for short people only?
I think everyone should have the right to decide weither they want it or not by them selves. Right know you are dicriminating taller people just because of their statue. Shouldn't this forum be about being open-minded towards everyone, since we all want to acciev the ultimate goal of getting taller?.

I agree... its like a woman with big breast who wants larger..
I always believe in party autonomy
but I think people like endomoprhisme probably need psychological help before some physical surgery..
theres a chance he will never be satisfied even at 2 metres (there will alwys be someone taller than him)

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Even it's the case and he would still suffer from height neurosis, it remains his choice. I just don't like the idea of discriminating people just because of their height, it seems like the polar opposite of this forum's spirit If you know what I mean.

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I think anyone can get it. and I think anyone who wants surgery should do what they want.

but I also think that anyone who is average height should admit that they suffer from delusion if they think they are getting discrimination at average height.

its not about what someone can or cant do. its just admit the truth. it is annoying to hear people who are taller than average lying about how the average height in their country is like 2 meters tall, and how they keep saying they get discriminated against when they are average or above.

its not really that we are annoyed they want surgery, we are just annoyed because every time they "try to rationalize" why they should get LL they keep repeating these lies and we can all see its lies.

these people should just say.
Quoteyes I have a mental condition called height neurosis, I am average height, but even though I don't get external discrimination because I am average I still feel in my heart wrongly/incorrectly that I do get discrimination because I suffer from delusion, I know it is a lie that I believe however if I become much taller than the average then even though im not addressing the real problem I will feel average when I am tall. the real problem is that I need to be much more than average because I don't feel powerful enough, and my mind being weak means that I need much more power than average to feel average in worth.

if they say that then everyone can hold hands under a rainbow clapping and laughing singing kumbaya 

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Lol no, it has nothing to do with having a lower self esteem than others or the need to feel superior.
If I remember correctly you want to lengthen more than 10cm's to get you above 180(above average), it seems pretty hypcritical to say something like that then .

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I agree that people should have the right to choose. If I wanted to have breasts coming out of my back, or turn myself into a woman, I should have the right to do so.

But, just like the sex change surgery (actually, I think the sex change surgery is the only thing that tops LL), LL is very extreme. This is a major surgery with lots of risks and a long road to recovery. This surgery was initially meant only for people with dwarfism, when you think about it. Men below 5'7" are the ones who are in for a rough life, and even successful ones (and there ARE plenty of them, and I don't mean just in Hollywood) will have to deal with heightist comments and rejection from women throughout their lives. If you're at least average height (which you are, EASILY), you actually don't know how good you have it. You may not be the tallest person around, your father may be taller than you, etc....but you aren't dealing with discrimination on a day to day basis (if you ever even do), and assuming you are well-rounded and have things going for you, women will be no problem either.

But hey, there are people on here who want to go from 6ft to 6'4". I just wonder where it all ends. I mean, if people really value being the tallest person around (wherever they go, in whatever country or planet they visit), then I guess bottoms up and go for it. But those people who want to hit 7ft or something are not going to reap benefits with women or in their social lives. This is why all doctors make us (even people who were super short, like me) all go through psychological evaluations. If anything, people may think even less of you, like "This guy wasn't even short, he didn't need this surgery." Me, at 166, there's no question I needed this surgery. But you guys who are something like 175ish and up...your lives can't be that bad, at least not based on your height.

I know several well-respected LL doctors who flat out told me, while they don't have a height cutoff, they cringe when men certain heights and up want this surgery. But I won't say their names.

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QuoteLol no, it has nothing to do with having a lower self esteem than others or the need to feel superior.
If I remember correctly you want to lengthen more than 10cm's to get you above 180(above average), it seems pretty hypcritical to say something like that then .

incorrect. that is a very silly thing to say.

your argument makes no sense.

let me educate you.

it has nothing to do with how much a person wants to lengthen, and it has nothing to do with how tall the person is.

what matters is what the person believes at what height.

if a person is average height and believes he is discriminated against because of it then he suffers from delusion.

if the person is under height and believes he is discriminated against then he is not delusional.

if a person is above average height and believes he is discriminated against then he is delusional.

Quoteit has nothing to do with having a lower self esteem than others or the need to feel superior.

I really dislike it when people don't listen to exactly what I say.

when a person is either average height or taller than average height and believes in the delusion that he is being discriminated against (externally) then it is because he has a belief that he is inadequate. and suffers from delusion. he because of his own mental perception of being inadequate , he then needs to be above average to feel adequate. this is lowered self esteem.

it has nothing to do with whether a person is short tall or average, it has to do with whether people suffer from delusion at any height.

your just being defensive because your probably average or taller than average.

if a tall 190cm man wants to get LL, but believes he does not get discriminated against then so be it,

but if a tall 190cm man wants LL, and believes he gets discriminated against then it is because he suffers from delusion, and the delusion is brought on by a low self worth, he is using height as an escape goat, he in truth needs to be above average to feel like he has a normal self worth.

in short its like the opposite to hypersensitisation. he needs extra value(height) to feel like everyone else does at average height.

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as an example, I am 171, I am not short, I am in the category of if only I were taller.

with 1.5 inch lifts I didn't even think about height for 2 years, and still don't because the look in peoples eyes of discrimination or unfair treatment is gone.

I believe this shows a healthy understanding to reality.

at close to average height I felt no bias, no discrimination.

it has nothing to do with how tall someone is or how much they want to lengthen. it has to do with their own internal perception on how the world treats them.

at different heights people are treated differently. and healthy people will correctly interpret how people are treating them.

people who don't correctly interpret how others treat them do so for the reasons listed above.

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Well I think we didn't really speak about the same things, I have never felt any kind of discrimination at all in my entire life nor did I have any disadvantage because of my statue. I want to do it for cosmetic reasons only I just prefere the looks of taller people, I also prefere girls above 175.
I'm not delusional at all, it just sounded like you disrespect average people to undergo this surgery.