Limb lengthening with Fitbone

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Quote from: Body Builder on August 06, 2017, 11:47:38 AMIf money is not the main reason he operates for LL

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Quote from: Body Builder on August 06, 2017, 11:47:38 AMI only talked about surgical fees. Of course living there and tickets increase the cost.

Is there a reason for an increase in Monegal's fees? If money is not the reason he operates for LL, as some of his patients say, then I can't see why he wants to increase his prices.
I heared of case where child was from Somalia without any resources but needed an operation so he offered to operate for free.
So I think it is great to take money from people who have enough and want to do surgery for cosmetic reasons, and use money to improve the lives of people without resources who really need the surgery.

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Thats the reality that this surgery will only get more expensive not cheaper as time passes on. Perhaps you can negotiate a lower price when you are ready to have the surgery.

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Quote from: helloworld on August 06, 2017, 12:31:45 PMI heared of case where child was from Somalia without any resources but needed an operation so he offered to operate for free.
So I think it is great to take money from people who have enough and want to do surgery for cosmetic reasons, and use money to improve the lives of people without resources who really need the surgery.
If I had plenty of money I'd go to Rozbruch.
Monegal is a good choice for many due to his relatively normal price for internals in europe.
But if he increases his price then there are much more choices with precise 2 which seems superior to fitbone.

Anyway I hope he thinks carefully and not lose the benefit he has from the majority of european doctors who do internals.
The thing that we make a cosmetic surgery to be average in height doesn't make us millionaires who don't know where to spend their money.
An above average man like you helloworld does this surgery only for cosmetic reasons but average and especially short men are doing it to live normally without social problems that comes with short stature, so LL is not a vanity surgery for many of us (for me especially before my first surgery).
So for me "a child from Somalia" and all these stories are not enough to justify an increase in prices.

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Prices for LL are going up. I remember there was a time when Dr. Paley did LL for 50 k USD or even less if my memory doesn't fail me. However, I think that with the number of LL doctors increasing and with reliable methods, there will be competition for patients (which are not a lot due to the nature of the surgery).

I, for instance, would like to read more diaries about Dr. Pili. He uses Precise 2 and is only a little bit more expensive than Monegal. He learned with Dr. Catagni who is a LL legend and Italy is a beautiful country (although not the best for handicapped people).

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Also, beware of the "good nature" of doctors. Many times, they do international campaigns in 3rd world countries to gain experience (for the team, residents, and even interesting cases for the lead doctor). While there is good will involved hopefully, people who benefit from these campaigns usually do not have the means to have the surgery otherwise, are happy to be operated for free, and are much less likely to sue than in 1st world countries.

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Of course this doctor and others use third world people as guinea pigs because they can't sue

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Quote from: Body Builder on August 06, 2017, 01:16:58 PM
An above average man like you helloworld does this surgery only for cosmetic reasons but average and especially short men are doing it to live normally without social problems that comes with short stature, so LL is not a vanity surgery for many of us (for me especially before my first surgery).

Bodybuilder, you were able to do sports, lift weights, walk and run normally even before the CLL and before ATL, right? The two surgeries did not improve the functioning of your body, did they? So it is a purely cosmetic surgery.

It is true that I had a higher starting height, but compared to my family I am still much shorter, and only due to health issues as a child did I end up short. So in my case it was merely a correction of what should have happened naturally, as my predicted height when I was a child was much more.

But just like you, I also had no medical reason to do the surgery. So I feel it is OK, even good, if people like you and me have to pay a lot and endure pain to get the surgery done, otherwise everyone would do it.

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Quote from: helloworld on August 07, 2017, 09:13:35 AMBodybuilder, you were able to do sports, lift weights, walk and run normally even before the CLL and before ATL, right? The two surgeries did not improve the functioning of your body, did they? So it is a purely cosmetic surgery.

It is true that I had a higher starting height, but compared to my family I am still much shorter, and only due to health issues as a child did I end up short. So in my case it was merely a correction of what should have happened naturally, as my predicted height when I was a child was much more.

But just like you, I also had no medical reason to do the surgery. So I feel it is OK, even good, if people like you and me have to pay a lot and endure pain to get the surgery done, otherwise everyone would do it.
First of all, you were 1.80 before LL so it is insane to say you were short. And also I don't know health issues that make you become "only" 1.80.
Anyway, I don't care if you were from a family of basketball players helloworld but your height was already above average so you really did it for cosmetic reasons.
I was 1.68 before LL, 10 cm less than average in my country, so no I didn't do it purely cosmetic but to live a normal life at an almost height.
If a girl who has a flat chest does boobjob it is not the same compared to a girl who had c cup and still a boobjob.
With men and height, the more shorter you are from average the less cosmetic is the purpose for LL.
So if Monegal wants to raise th prices, he would do it for taller than average people who don't need LL, not all.

Also, even if LL was free only a few would do it because it is a very hard and risky surgery.
So no, it is not good for any reason at all for a doctor to increase the price.
Personally, Monegal is one of my possible choices for internal femurs but if his prices become the same with Pili lets say, who is in europe too and has the superior precise 2, then Monegal won't be a choice for me and many more like me.

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But this surgery will  NEVER improve your physical function. This in addition to the fact that the majority, yes the majority, of short statured people (that are not classified as having dwarfism or restricted growth) can live their lives normally without even considering this surgery makes it purely cosmetic regardless of your justification