Actually in Western Europe the population is becoming shorter on average because of all these people with migrational background that come from the Middle East and who have much more kids than the native Europeans. In Eastern and Central Europe though that is not happening 
Quote from: aspirant185 on January 03, 2016, 03:46:49 PMActually in Western Europe the population is becoming shorter on average because of all these people with migrational background that come from the Middle East and who have much more kids than the native Europeans. In Eastern and Central Europe though that is not happening
lol, it's true but many statistics don't include people with migrant backgroung.
I went in austria which is in central europe and i swear that at 183 cm, i was a bit taller than young men, my opinion is they must average 180-181 cm
Quote from: endomorphisme on January 03, 2016, 04:44:57 PMlol, it's true but many statistics don't include people with migrant backgroung.
I went in austria which is in central europe and i swear that at 183 cm, i was a bit taller than young men, my opinion is they must average 180-181 cm
You are right about that height thing, an average of 181 seems pretty much what I have experienced in years I was living there. I'm always a tad shorter than most guys, but not by much.
Austria may be located in central europe but the numbers of imigrants is as high as those in northern\western europe. So the average gets pushed down as well.
Yes, but you have to take in account that also people - in this case immigrants - from developing countries also get taller and taller. The best example for that is the Asian region. So yes and no.
Quote from: Alittletooshort on January 03, 2016, 05:07:48 PMYou are right about that height thing, an average of 181 seems pretty much what I have experienced in years I was living there. I'm always a tad shorter than most guys, but not by much.
Austria may be located in central europe but the numbers of imigrants is as high as those in northern\western europe. So the average gets pushed down as well.
i was only refering to white austrian, but i didn't see many migrants in Austria.I was in Vienna and i'm almost sure the average height for white young men in vienna is more 180 cm than 181 cm
Quote from: endomorphisme on January 03, 2016, 05:40:53 PMi was only refering to white austrian, but i didn't see many migrants in Austria.I was in Vienna and i'm almost sure the average height for white young men in vienna is more 180 cm than 181 cm
You didn´t? 
In fact 49% of the viennese population has either been born in a forgein country or have parents that were born in a forgein country. The percentage for people below 30 is above 50%. It´s just weird that you didn´t see any because there are so so many.
The average of 180 for young men (wikipedia) includes men from every cultural background so the native white austrians have to be taller in order to compensate for the immigrants.
We won´t find out anyways since there are no statistics for Vienna.
Quote from: Alittletooshort on January 03, 2016, 09:25:55 PMYou didn´t? In fact 49% of the viennese population has either been born in a forgein country or have parents that were born in a forgein country. The percentage for people below 30 is above 50%. It´s just weird that you didn´t see any because there are so so many.
The average of 180 for young men (wikipedia) includes men from every cultural background so the native white austrians have to be taller in order to compensate for the immigrants.
We won´t find out anyways since there are no statistics for Vienna.
i was talking about the whites, most people i saw on the street were white, they were either native austrian, or austrian with european background, but to be honest i didn't see many african or asian austrian.In comparison with Paris, Vienna is a hundred times less cosmopolitan than Paris.
It was 4 years ago, so i do not exactly remember.All i can say, is that i didn't feel short, i rarely did, i remember once being in a bar with 4 or 5 big 195 cm austrian, but the rest of the time, i felt about average to slighlty above it.
Being 180 or slightly above seems very common in scandinavia, I tried to wear 4 cm lifts for the first time in my life and I was suprised at how much of a difference it made.
181-182 cm is quite typical for swedish men, of couse plenty are taller than that as well.
The Asian/African are getting taller as well but still they are well shorter on average than the Europeans.
btw I am currently a student at one of the best business schools in Germany and the average height for Male students, including many Austrians, should be around 185. It is ridiculous, the number of students that are above 190 is just astonishing. Even the Indians should be in the range 175-180 and the chinese in the one 177-183. I ve once talked with a German student who said that he did internship at McKinsey and there was not a single guy below 185 there.
a lot of people here on the forum will doubt that but I can fully support what aspirant185 is saying (although I study at a public university and would never go to one of those business schools with the three letters... 
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but what I can report is that my estimation is that the average height will dramatically increase within the next years (among young people). It's not uncommon at all that I see 14 year old male teenagers above 180cm. And usually a lot of the young girls at let's say 16-18 (within the legal limitations ) are around my height ( ~178cm).
The old rule of thumb that if you're above 180 and male you can regard yourself as a tall person is no longer true. I'd say you should easily add 5cm to that number. And again, my perception of reality is clear. I don't exaggerate, sorry!
These are just facts. But I'd also like to add for everybody who's as tall as aspirant185 or me (slightly below average but soon a bit on the short side): height is not everything. And it certainly won't solve other problems in your life. And what I hate is that a decent amount of guys here go autopilot if they see a tall man: "ooooh, he's tall. I better kneel down and worship his social value".... and this might be especially true for competetive business surroundings 
I just drop a clue: self-fulfilling prophecy
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