LL' users are mostly Western men?

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I have this impression
This is surprising, given that Western are among the largest in the world (mainly in Northern Europe)
it's probably because we have more money but also because we are more complexed because there are more tall people in our societies
but with the Westernization of Asia that will strengthen
and it's funny to see that the majority of contenders for the operation are men
i know a 146 cm girl and she dont have a disphoria (and she has a 175-80 boyfriend) so the life is easier for a short girl i think

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Because it is banned in most asian countries (especially China)

Back in the time, China was the biggest market of LL.

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I think it feels that way because we are on an English forum.  I wouldnt be surprised if there is an Asian language LL forum somewhere.  Also, seeing how there seems to be some decent LL doctors in Korea, I would imagine there are a quite a few Korean LLers as well (from what I understand of modern Korean culture, mens height discrimination is pretty significant). 

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East Asia has been getting extremely heightist over the decades, so I feel like CLL will only keep rising there.

This is a flawed sample from a single website (sourced from online dating, no less), but it purports that less Japanese women have a 5'4 man in preference than German and Australian women, which is of course hilarious when you consider the height percentiles of women and men in those countries. Link:

http://www.shortsupport.org/Research/personals.html

I do feel that these researches don't actually reflect the reality on the ground as well, however. It's obvious that more Japanese women will date a 5'4 man than European women. I just think it reflects an increasing trend/mentality in those countries, which will feed into the dysphoria of men and lead them to CLL.

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White people were a minority amongst the cosmetic LL patients at the Paley Institute. I just saw 2 white ppl there for cosmetic LL. The rest were E/S Asian (like me) or Latino.

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Could be a combination of things. First of all, short statured Western men might be subject to heightism more often because the country's average is higher (could be an immigrant that is shorter). Maybe Western men have better access to information to find out about CLL. Maybe Western men have the resources to pay for such a procedure.

When kids are getting braces and women are getting breast augmentations, some men may think: why not my height?

Countries like Japan, compared to South Korea and China, are very wary about cosmetic surgery (finally starting to accept braces), so social stigma within a country can have a big impact too.

That being said, what mahlegs brings up is a great point: this is an English-speaking forum. I found this forum recently, a Russian CLL board with a majority female audience (I can only guess that there's a forum out there for men). Extremely active, for instance the Dr. Kulesh thread has a thread that opened in 2008 with 642 replies and 165k views. And look at all these doctors. I was able to find this site by Googling Dr. Kulesh's name written in Russian. Makes me wonder what other resources we've yet to uncover, because it's hard to believe that people all over the world are doing CLL and not talking about it somewhere.

Back to Japanese people, most don't partake in forums, at least not like this one. They're very wary about privacy, so they'll either use anonymous forums or start a blog, leading to decentralized information. That combined with aforementioned stigma for anything relating to cosmetic surgery makes their online presence nearly nonexistent.

In the end, who knows what the true demographics are like, but my bet is on the Chinese or Russians.

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AFAIK, heightism is going around east Asian countries especially South Korea. Height discrimination in the country is extremely harsh. You can see the tip of the iceberg in this article: http://ilyo.co.kr/?ac=article_view&entry_id=42481
In my country (Japan) things are bit better but every time you visit Japanese internet forums you see people teasing short men by saying things like "Men under 170cm-tall are manlets bla bla bla".

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Quote from: ketchum on January 17, 2018, 09:38:34 AMAFAIK, heightism is going around east Asian countries especially South Korea. Height discrimination in the country is extremely harsh. You can see the tip of the iceberg in this article: http://ilyo.co.kr/?ac=article_view&entry_id=42481
In my country (Japan) things are bit better but every time you visit Japanese internet forums you see people teasing short men by saying things like "Men under 170cm-tall are manlets bla bla bla".

Yes, there is that kind of comments everywhere. Mostly from people who don't know their real height or are insecure themself. Don't care about them.

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Quote from: Knik on January 17, 2018, 10:03:27 AMYes, there is that kind of comments everywhere. Mostly from people who don't know their real height or are insecure themself. Don't care about them.

It is totally insecurity, and actually a perfect and direct comparison to the 6 feet thing in the US. They just get an arbitrary metric of a common height for their ethnic group and shame any standard deviations under it. You can see all these commenters being absolutely terrible to men, for example, around 165cm, and then you remember most of those persons making the comments are probably just about over 170cm or are women shorter than 165cm. All that sense of superiority and disdain for a 5cm difference. Then you can compare it to people in the US saying stuff like that about men around 175cm (5'9) and under just because they're 6 feet.

"You're a chibi if you're under 170cm". "You're a manlet if you're under 6 feet". Same shxt, different cultures. Just men being insecure and having to hold onto some aspect of themselves.

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Quote from: ketchum on January 17, 2018, 09:38:34 AMAFAIK, heightism is going around east Asian countries especially South Korea. Height discrimination in the country is extremely harsh. You can see the tip of the iceberg in this article: http://ilyo.co.kr/?ac=article_view&entry_id=42481
In my country (Japan) things are bit better but every time you visit Japanese internet forums you see people teasing short men by saying things like "Men under 170cm-tall are manlets bla bla bla".

Yeah, 2ch sites love picking up stories about short and bald guys, treating them like second-class citizens (some literally suggest "why live at all?") -- those threads do really well. Of course, 2ch people are not normal (they have inflated egos), but it still hurts to read. People on the street are much nicer, but who knows what they're thinking.


Quote from: myloginacct on January 17, 2018, 01:28:58 PM"You're a chibi if you're under 170cm". "You're a manlet if you're under 6 feet". Same shxt, different cultures. Just men being insecure and having to hold onto some aspect of themselves.

Agreed.