Quote from: more on August 17, 2021, 05:51:39 PMwith LON Valgus can't be corrected. TSF is better option only for correction . if you have time and money for for correction first and later do precice for lengthening.
Wrong. The surgery Can be done at the same time. been in contact with 2 people that have had LON with knee valves correction. Lon itself doesn't fix the issue. Theirs 2 different processes that are done at the same time while they have you cut open already. The problem people have with you is you haven't experienced any of this stuff yourself and you speak with such confidence, but you have no idea what you're talking about. I compare it to someone teaching you how to drive, but never owned a license and only know what they've read from the Driver's ed manual with no real world experience. Then you keep talking to folks that don't want you addressing them. Theirs no block feature on here unfortunately, so we have to put up with it.
LON Femur 7.5cm with halil buldu may 13th, 2021 God-Willing
@ Growing
By no means am I "anti LON" and my point was it's quite clear that the pain is significantly different.
Again all the best with your procedure.
Quote from: Growing on August 17, 2021, 04:05:37 PMOh really? you had CLL done already? How would you say the pain was in your personal experience? Are you happy you went with Precice? You seem knowledgeable on both pain thresholds.
The surgery aspect was anecdotal. Precice requires 2 surgery’s and Lon requires 3. The cosmetic scar removal could be said for both but not required.
From all the threads I’ve read with precice it’s still pretty damn painful. Your bones are broken. Precice thrive in comfort as you can sleep better and move freely.
Base of the diaries both seem to be equally painful. Precice just provide you with more comfort and normalcy especially not having metal attached outside your leg. But that’s temporary for 1.5-2 months and will weight bear the entire time with LON.
Both options have give and take with Pro’s and Cons.
Brother your opinion will change if you go through with it trust me. Precice you will feel fine after the first 4-5 days and there is no pain from Pin installation x4 each side. LON is having knives in your sides for months, and the removal is painful
And there is no risk of the distal part of the nail getting stuck which happened to me and another patient while lengthening, it made my femur break even more. Although it will heal on it’s own it’s another risk along with knee flexion contracture etc
Bro people still feel plenty of pain when doing precise. Diaries here AND the patients doing precise at the Turkish hotel all felt some serious pain. The procedure is the same bro.
A lot of nerve and muscle pain. But they don’t have pain from infections which must be really f’in nice. Infection pain is, as Activated said, like KNIVES stabbing your legs. This is no joke it’s so painful I was terrified of moving. Antibiotics can help resolve it in 3-5 days
Quote from: Activatedxx on August 17, 2021, 10:25:52 PMBrother your opinion will change if you go through with it trust me. Precice you will feel fine after the first 4-5 days and there is no pain from Pin installation x4 each side. LON is having knives in your sides for months, and the removal is painful
And there is no risk of the distal part of the nail getting stuck which happened to me and another patient while lengthening, it made my femur break even more. Although it will heal on it’s own it’s another risk along with knee flexion contracture etc
I get it but people are acting like thiers zero pain after the first week with precise or complications. Im literally reading one now where the guy leg literally snapped in half a year later.. ouch. Another journal I was reading one leg stopped growing (the Precice nail DID get stuck) so he had to get the leg re-broken (at extra cost) to fix it and they've all had pain, even 2 years later. All these journals are on here right now. They just have been skipped over because they are from 2-3 years ago. But I read everything. I know Lon is painful but everyone saying things haven't had precice. that's all im saying. Im not just looking at recent years journals im going 5-7 years back to see how these things turned out.
And theirs not many journals with the side rail type LON frames. its very recent and less than 4 people on here so we really don't know its long term affects. From my accesment majority of journals here are Pricice, Betz nail, iliarov, and stryde. All these methods came with many issues and some scary based off the journals I've read. When it comes to Lon the only Journals are Meck, Perfect Body, and activatedxx. I know fivefootsomething as well but he don't have a journal. And I wouldn't count Meck because his lengthening was extreme. Theirs not enough long term data of people here who's done LON on here to say what the future would look like post op vs the 100's of other methods that have years of post op follow up posts.
It sucks that happened Acttivatedxxx. And hell I might have a complication myself. But theres no guarantee things would have been smooth sailing if you took another method to lengthen like I mentioned above. And those 2 cases of precice I mentioned, I wasn't even searching for it. I just was reading ol journals and saw it happened. And that's 2 out of the 5 precice journals I've read so far.
Quote from: PerfectBody on August 17, 2021, 10:57:20 PMBro people still feel plenty of pain when doing precise. Diaries here AND the patients doing precise at the Turkish hotel all felt some serious pain. The procedure is the same bro.
A lot of nerve and muscle pain. But they don’t have pain from infections which must be really f’in nice. Infection pain is, as Activated said, like KNIVES stabbing your legs. This is no joke it’s so painful I was terrified of moving. Antibiotics can help resolve it in 3-5 days
This is exactly what I'm saying. I agree. from the Journals I've read people who had precice had lots of pain AND some have had major complications. Thats why read the journals. It literally tells you the true story vs heresay.
Quote from: Growing on August 18, 2021, 02:48:39 AMI get it but people are acting like thiers zero pain after the first week with precise or complications. Im literally reading one now where the guy leg literally snapped in half a year later.. ouch. Another journal I was reading one leg stopped growing (the Precice nail DID get stuck) so he had to get the leg re-broken (at extra cost) to fix it and they've all had pain, even 2 years later. All these journals are on here right now. They just have been skipped over because they are from 2-3 years ago. But I read everything. I know Lon is painful but everyone saying things haven't had precice. that's all im saying. Im not just looking at recent years journals im going 5-7 years back to see how these things turned out.
And theirs not many journals with the side rail type LON frames. its very recent and less than 4 people on here so we really don't know its long term affects. From my accesment majority of journals here are Pricice, Betz nail, iliarov, and stryde. All these methods came with many issues and some scary based off the journals I've read. When it comes to Lon the only Journals are Meck, Perfect Body, and activatedxx. I know fivefootsomething as well but he don't have a journal. And I wouldn't count Meck because his lengthening was extreme. Theirs not enough long term data of people here who's done LON on here to say what the future would look like post op vs the 100's of other methods that have years of post op follow up posts.
It sucks that happened Acttivatedxxx. And hell I might have a complication myself. But theres no guarantee things would have been smooth sailing if you took another method to lengthen like I mentioned above. And those 2 cases of precice I mentioned, I wasn't even searching for it. I just was reading ol journals and saw it happened. And that's 2 out of the 5 precice journals I've read so far.
Most people don’t make diaries, when I was at bof I met 20+ patients and there were 60+ there at one time, some from other doctors like muharam inam but mostly from Buldu.
Anyways, current version of precice is the revised nail, precice 2.2, but I’m saying the pinsite infections (which you will 100% get) and not being able to sleep except flat on your back with your feet straight out alone will make you regret doing Lon, at least it did for me.
Quote from: Activatedxx on August 18, 2021, 04:07:52 AMMost people don’t make diaries, when I was at bof I met 20+ patients and there were 60+ there at one time, some from other doctors like muharam inam but mostly from Buldu.
Anyways, current version of precice is the revised nail, precice 2.2, but I’m saying the pinsite infections (which you will 100% get) and not being able to sleep except flat on your back with your feet straight out alone will make you regret doing Lon, at least it did for me.
Did you notice any difference in recoveries of patients who had lon femur? Having the pins tear through muscle I imagine would hinder long term recovery.
Quote from: Highest on August 18, 2021, 05:50:43 AMDid you notice any difference in recoveries of patients who had lon femur? Having the pins tear through muscle I imagine would hinder long term recovery.
Can’t tell only people with precice there were 2 Chinese girls and almost all the rest were Lon femur
Small update, I start physio in 5 hours, trying to go sleep as I write this. I have insomnia now so sometimes I just pull all-nighters, just started trying melatonin for sleep.
After removal I had that immense pain in my right leg, my left leg was fine. I’m very happy it went away, I couldn’t straight or bend my knee without 8/10 pain knee the side screw lock sites.
Due to this I wasn’t able to use my right leg or exercise it and got a knee flexion contracture, hopefully it will resolve with sessions of physio. I cant straighten my right leg it’s bent so I lost alot of ROM due to post surgery pain and recovery
I went to the gym and used the stationary bike for 10 min and some of the leg press machines with my body weight, my legs are exhausted
I went to work two days ago and it was 60% productivity, I repair electronics so my job can be done by sitting down. However it was exhausting because the night before I could not sleep and had to pull an all nighter, I’ve been completely cold Turkey on painkillers and sleep aids besides melatonin since fixator removal, trying to train my body to go back pre op
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