Quote from: SirStretchAlot on October 09, 2021, 09:29:52 AM"High" is always a relative term. Externals have double the infection rate of internals. In India, where you guys love to do your LONs and LATNs, the external infections rates are 10%, unacceptable for any cosmetic surgery.
https://applications.emro.who.int/imemrf/Ann_Punjab%20Med_Coll/Ann_Punjab%20Med_Coll_2018_12_1_80_82.pdf
Your use of the word "remove" illustrates your lack of basic understanding around plastic surgery. Scars cannot be removed, they can only be lessened. Just like burns, your skin recovers better when it is exposed to heat for a lesser amount of time. Deep penetrative injuries over months leads to permanent deep-tissue scars. I have actually consulted a plastic surgeon, and he said while the screw insertion points can be near-invisible, the nail insertion hole near my hip would still be visible, even with skin graft. For externals, every pin hole scar is deeper than my nail incision. It is a fantasy to think plastic surgeons can work magic.
Plus, the cost of removing 10+ scars on both legs is easily more expensive than doing internals in the first place. The damage you do to yourself by choosing cheaper externals is irreversible.
hey sirstretchalot,
comparing a research paper done on trauma cases with an open fracture to cosmetically done cases under sterile environment is not a fair thing to do..
open fractures mean they have skin wounds, most of which would be larger and almost always are the source of infection,.
in cosmetic cases we dont have such unsterile wounds, and hence your comparison is not valid.
ok i might have made a mistake in calling it scar removal, but a scar revision surgery would make the scar almost invisible. i am a recently graduated doctor myself and have seen so many of those procedures being done, during my dermatology and surgery rotations..
also the cost as you say is not even close to the cost of externals. the cost in india, would not exceed 50000 inr(i have this confirmed from seniors who have finished their residency in dermatology) per segment. so even 4 segments would mean no more than 3000-4000 usd. which as you can see in no way is more.
LON Femur 7.5cm with halil buldu may 13th, 2021 God-Willing
also no one is saying not to go for internals when you can afford them, if i had the money i would myself have gone with internals. but for those who cant afford and dont want to wait for 5+ years( thats what it takes even for a physician to make enough money to afford internals in india), externals are not a bad option. and after seeing the recovery of people like jim dabarber and overdozer.. it further proves my point
Quote from: Activatedxx on October 03, 2021, 05:24:58 AMI am making this post mainly because it wasn’t all in my diary.
I want to start by saying halil buldu is a nice caring guy, but there is immorality in his practice, by him doing 3-4 operations per day and hiring an a $$wipe as his medical team manager.
This guy sedat keeps spamming me nonstop because of what I wrote in my diary that was just what I experienced, so I’m going to go into detail and give him something to spam about.
Buldu does a ton of operations per day. No matter how experienced someone is, I believe your focus and cognition dulls and wears away after doing hours of surgery ( my fixator removal started at 8:30pm on a Sunday after 3 others ).
https://imgur.com/a/66gMQHC this is my first X-ray after 2 weeks after hospital discharge
If you look at the post the left leg nail is moving down when lengthening instead of up. Compare it to the right nail. This is very bad if left untreated, because the screws and pins will break out and split the bone vertically like this ( this is my actual bone side view ) https://imgur.com/gallery/DAd8bqm
They are so busy and have so many patients that they told me my X-ray is fine. Dr. Taylor Reif ( I had a consultation with, he is rozbruchs partner doctor) told me this should’ve been corrected from the first X-ray and might have prevented the bone splitting vertically, but it wasn’t corrected until the damage was already done.
Besides from that, if you don’t buy the package Sedat treats you like crap. My wife refers to him as “package guy” because every time I ask him for something he try’s to sell me a package. Like here for example https://imgur.com/a/L8v5oNi
I asked him for a ride from a pharmacy across the street, because it started raining heavily and no taxis available. He told me everyone was busy in voice message. I asked one of the staff members directly and he told me he didn’t have anything he was doing and came and got me. Getting in the car my bandages got wet. I asked for a bandage change and his reply is “ we must talk about package price ? “ what a sleezeball
Another time I asked for X-rays and told him DONT schedule the xrays until you give me a price. X-ray guy shows up and ends up trying to charge me 600$ usd for 4 X-rays (which is hilariously more than USA prices in a country where X-rays are 30-40$ Bucks a piece).
My worst experience is when I had an infection and he refused to give me antibiotics and ignored me. I mean it wasn’t terrible because Buldu ended up giving them to me right away when I asked him directly but look at how this guy ignores a patient in need of help https://imgur.com/a/mdRT9xE
Some people like perfectbody/fivesomething didn’t have issues and had a good recovery, and I’m not saying it’s common. But I feel it’s only right to say that there are far more people that have complications and they don’t post it on here or are scared from the medical team.
They actually posted a patients before/after photo. This patient had TWO complications and they wrote “dreams come true” yeah, right. After a f*cking nightmare.
His first complication was same as mine and the second was pin bending. Below pic he sent me
https://imgur.com/a/lo79Pgp
It required two extra surgeries. Plus the initial and removal for a total of 4 surgeries and 4 months with fixators on.
Another person i know had 2 extra surgeries also.
Sedat makes up this story of how I fell down stairs to blame my complication on me
And to protect their image when what really happened was I had stepped down with my left leg, I started stepping down with the right and lost balance because it was a big step and I had to cling to the wall and my wife because there was not a handrail and I put all my weight on the other leg in a bending position. No way someone my weight (125 pounds) could have damaged a fixator system that holds Perfectbody/fivesomething weight (they are 170-200pounds). I would get it if it was a bent nail or broken screw issue or something else, but a nail can’t be pushed down instantly. It happened over the lengthening period, due to not proper reaming and the bone alignment when broken according to Dr. reifs opinion. Also to add, this wasn’t on stairs, it was a single step outside the elevator in my Airbnb.
it’s fine if you don’t want to take my word for it because of the incident, but realize same exact thing happened to others who did not have any incident. This has happened to multiple people and no one speaks out. I feel like it is my duty to share this because if I knew of the complications like these beforehand I would have changed my direction. Again, some people had no issues. In my opinion even 85-90% success rate is low in a medical practice. That is just a guess, out of the 30 something people I met during my experience I know of 5 that required extra complication surgery
Anytime something happens they try to sweep it under the rug
Personally I know it was their fault due to signs during lengthening that the nail was failing. One example (this is in my diary and I wrote this before I know I had any issue) was that I kept getting bone clicking in my right leg only but never in my left leg. Bone clicking is when the rod vibrates/hits the inside of your femur because it’s not locked at the bottom until fixator removal. It’s not painful just very uncomfortable. It started on day 2-3 of lengthening in my right leg but never felt it on my left leg (because the nail was stuck at the distal/bottom part).
Currently I’m recovering but due to the complication my left leg is much weaker and is hindering my recovery. My Usa orthopedic does not want me to walk unassisted on it much and worries the hardware can fail/screws back out or break. I have to wait for bone to consolidate more until I can exert prolonged force like walking and going up stairs. https://imgur.com/gallery/oaZC5em
Mentally going through complications is the worst feeling in the world. Many won’t understand unless it actually happens to you. It was mentally one of the hardest moments
It seems that you have undergone a lengthening process with plenty of complications. I'm sorry for you, I hope you are well now. I am planning to have this surgery. Turkey is also among my options, but I guess I'll have to do some more research on this forum 
. The complication rate in limb lengthening surgery is quite high, but in your case, complications seem to be overlooked. The excuse that the surgeon is busy is bull . If he's too busy to deal with the complication then he shouldn't be performing that many surgeries. Is the person responding to you quoting the surgeon's answer or is it his own? If they are his own opinions, is he at the level of education to be able to make these comments? Although many people complain about the complications and irresponsibility of this surgeon, the large number of patients he has is confusing. The reason must be the price.
Quote from: HeightBooster on October 10, 2021, 06:11:14 PM It seems that you have undergone a lengthening process with plenty of complications. I'm sorry for you, I hope you are well now. I am planning to have this surgery. Turkey is also among my options, but I guess I'll have to do some more research on this forum . The complication rate in limb lengthening surgery is quite high, but in your case, complications seem to be overlooked. The excuse that the surgeon is busy is bull . If he's too busy to deal with the complication then he shouldn't be performing that many surgeries. Is the person responding to you quoting the surgeon's answer or is it his own? If they are his own opinions, is he at the level of education to be able to make these comments? Although many people complain about the complications and irresponsibility of this surgeon, the large number of patients he has is confusing. The reason must be the price.
Not only the price, because in many places they do LON even with lower prices, it is the publicity and marketing that Turkey has and especially the agency that works with Dr. Buldu. They have many patients yes, and they make everything look "perfect" but in reality many have had complications, they just don't come to light.
The surgeon fixed the complications for free^
I was saying anytime they have a complication they cover it up and the process is sugarcoated to new patients considering surgery.
The complications hinder your recovery by months, and cause so much extra physical, mental, and emotional pain
Just cause they fixed their own mistake for free doesn’t make it right. Shouldn’t be making mistakes in the first place, they’re putting people through high unnecessary suffering by making that mistake. All because they treat it like an assembly line. Don’t pick an experienced doctor that values quantity over quality. Experience means nothing when youre doing so many surgeries a day, your mind will slip even if you are Paley. We are human
Hi Activatedxx
Do your femur muscles feel or behave differently after having the external fixator? It looks like it would scar them up so curious to how you feel.
Quote from: Highest on October 13, 2021, 12:50:43 PMHi Activatedxx
Do your femur muscles feel or behave differently after having the external fixator? It looks like it would scar them up so curious to how you feel.
Not that I know, still recovering muscle back
they feel different from length increase
Quote from: Activatedxx on October 13, 2021, 01:32:22 PMNot that I know, still recovering muscle back
they feel different from length increase
In what way do they feel different from length increase?
Quote from: Highest on October 13, 2021, 09:55:55 PMIn what way do they feel different from length increase?
Mainly in getting rid of height dysphoria
I was ashamed of my height before. It used to bother me so much, the increase isn’t drastic to the point I feel tall with an 8cm increase, but I feel way taller than before. I was never taller than anyone barely before, and a lot of females were taller with high heels, including my wife
Now I’m taller than about 40% of male population and even girls with heels I’m usually a few inches taller or if they are 5’5 with heels I am slightly taller or same height
Even people that are 1 inch taller I am eye level with them and don’t feel like they are taller
Height no longer bothers me in an obsessive way, I feel like I am in a normal range. I would love to be 2-3 inches taller than I am now, but it doesn’t bother me to the point where I hate it, if I was born at this height I probably would have never considered LL in the first place
More so, people used to comment about how they thought I was a high school student at work, whenever they ask me if I own the place, at least a few times a week. I haven’t received any comments like that since getting back to work a couple months ago. It’s no placebo effect, people are definitely taking me more serious in society, it’s a physiologic effect maybe when you are making eye contact instead of them looking down or something idk
Feel like I’m being treated as an adult or at the very least a young adult instead of a child
Quote from: Activatedxx on October 03, 2021, 05:24:58 AMI am making this post mainly because it wasn’t all in my diary.
I want to start by saying halil buldu is a nice caring guy, but there is immorality in his practice, by him doing 3-4 operations per day and hiring an a $$wipe as his medical team manager.
This guy sedat keeps spamming me nonstop because of what I wrote in my diary that was just what I experienced, so I’m going to go into detail and give him something to spam about.
Buldu does a ton of operations per day. No matter how experienced someone is, I believe your focus and cognition dulls and wears away after doing hours of surgery ( my fixator removal started at 8:30pm on a Sunday after 3 others ).
https://imgur.com/a/66gMQHC this is my first X-ray after 2 weeks after hospital discharge
If you look at the post the left leg nail is moving down when lengthening instead of up. Compare it to the right nail. This is very bad if left untreated, because the screws and pins will break out and split the bone vertically like this ( this is my actual bone side view ) https://imgur.com/gallery/DAd8bqm
They are so busy and have so many patients that they told me my X-ray is fine. Dr. Taylor Reif ( I had a consultation with, he is rozbruchs partner doctor) told me this should’ve been corrected from the first X-ray and might have prevented the bone splitting vertically, but it wasn’t corrected until the damage was already done.
Besides from that, if you don’t buy the package Sedat treats you like crap. My wife refers to him as “package guy” because every time I ask him for something he try’s to sell me a package. Like here for example https://imgur.com/a/L8v5oNi
I asked him for a ride from a pharmacy across the street, because it started raining heavily and no taxis available. He told me everyone was busy in voice message. I asked one of the staff members directly and he told me he didn’t have anything he was doing and came and got me. Getting in the car my bandages got wet. I asked for a bandage change and his reply is “ we must talk about package price ? “ what a sleezeball
Another time I asked for X-rays and told him DONT schedule the xrays until you give me a price. X-ray guy shows up and ends up trying to charge me 600$ usd for 4 X-rays (which is hilariously more than USA prices in a country where X-rays are 30-40$ Bucks a piece).
My worst experience is when I had an infection and he refused to give me antibiotics and ignored me. I mean it wasn’t terrible because Buldu ended up giving them to me right away when I asked him directly but look at how this guy ignores a patient in need of help https://imgur.com/a/mdRT9xE
Some people like perfectbody/fivesomething didn’t have issues and had a good recovery, and I’m not saying it’s common. But I feel it’s only right to say that there are far more people that have complications and they don’t post it on here or are scared from the medical team.
They actually posted a patients before/after photo. This patient had TWO complications and they wrote “dreams come true” yeah, right. After a f*cking nightmare.
His first complication was same as mine and the second was pin bending. Below pic he sent me
https://imgur.com/a/lo79Pgp
It required two extra surgeries. Plus the initial and removal for a total of 4 surgeries and 4 months with fixators on.
Another person i know had 2 extra surgeries also.
Sedat makes up this story of how I fell down stairs to blame my complication on me
And to protect their image when what really happened was I had stepped down with my left leg, I started stepping down with the right and lost balance because it was a big step and I had to cling to the wall and my wife because there was not a handrail and I put all my weight on the other leg in a bending position. No way someone my weight (125 pounds) could have damaged a fixator system that holds Perfectbody/fivesomething weight (they are 170-200pounds). I would get it if it was a bent nail or broken screw issue or something else, but a nail can’t be pushed down instantly. It happened over the lengthening period, due to not proper reaming and the bone alignment when broken according to Dr. reifs opinion. Also to add, this wasn’t on stairs, it was a single step outside the elevator in my Airbnb.
it’s fine if you don’t want to take my word for it because of the incident, but realize same exact thing happened to others who did not have any incident. This has happened to multiple people and no one speaks out. I feel like it is my duty to share this because if I knew of the complications like these beforehand I would have changed my direction. Again, some people had no issues. In my opinion even 85-90% success rate is low in a medical practice. That is just a guess, out of the 30 something people I met during my experience I know of 5 that required extra complication surgery
Anytime something happens they try to sweep it under the rug
Personally I know it was their fault due to signs during lengthening that the nail was failing. One example (this is in my diary and I wrote this before I know I had any issue) was that I kept getting bone clicking in my right leg only but never in my left leg. Bone clicking is when the rod vibrates/hits the inside of your femur because it’s not locked at the bottom until fixator removal. It’s not painful just very uncomfortable. It started on day 2-3 of lengthening in my right leg but never felt it on my left leg (because the nail was stuck at the distal/bottom part).
Currently I’m recovering but due to the complication my left leg is much weaker and is hindering my recovery. My Usa orthopedic does not want me to walk unassisted on it much and worries the hardware can fail/screws back out or break. I have to wait for bone to consolidate more until I can exert prolonged force like walking and going up stairs. https://imgur.com/gallery/oaZC5em
Mentally going through complications is the worst feeling in the world. Many won’t understand unless it actually happens to you. It was mentally one of the hardest moments
Wow what a sh*t show. When i saw that x-ray of yours i felt the pain 
I hope you recover soon! How is your mobility now? Can you walk? or stand atleast?
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