LON in Vietnam

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hello normy , its been a while since your last update .
how your recovery going?
i hope everything is going well 

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Hey, I think I'm doing pretty alright. In a few days I'm going to get my next X rays to see how it is going. I don't post much because a lot of it is mundane: reading books, stretching, playing video games, eating, Facebook, and lengthening every few hours. I also feel that the forums can sometimes be a toxic place that puts me in a bad mood if I'm not careful. I was going to start getting defensive because of kingofstory's post, but then realized it wouldn't accomplish anything, but it's not as though I didn't have a flash of anger when I first read it, or the hundreds of similar posts littered throughout this forum. So, I simply stay away usually, unless someone DM's me and I have to go to the website to respond, which is what happened today. I realize that LL is a huge risk and people should think carefully about it, but I don't think it is a mystery to anyone on this forum what the procedure is: they break your bones and then pull them apart. It's painful, and there is an element of risk. Everyone knows this. Posts like kingofstory add absolutely no value to the conversation, especially since I'm in Vietnam and have already had the surgery. Where I can try to provide some value is by sharing my experience about a place that most people immediately dismiss, but at least a few people are wondering about. I still read about LL, but rarely from the forums. I usually read from medical journals.

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hey man, didnt see you online on whatsapp lately

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Quote from: normythebear on January 18, 2018, 08:58:49 AMHey, I think I'm doing pretty alright. In a few days I'm going to get my next X rays to see how it is going. I don't post much because a lot of it is mundane: reading books, stretching, playing video games, eating, Facebook, and lengthening every few hours. I also feel that the forums can sometimes be a toxic place that puts me in a bad mood if I'm not careful. I was going to start getting defensive because of kingofstory's post, but then realized it wouldn't accomplish anything, but it's not as though I didn't have a flash of anger when I first read it, or the hundreds of similar posts littered throughout this forum. So, I simply stay away usually, unless someone DM's me and I have to go to the website to respond, which is what happened today. I realize that LL is a huge risk and people should think carefully about it, but I don't think it is a mystery to anyone on this forum what the procedure is: they break your bones and then pull them apart. It's painful, and there is an element of risk. Everyone knows this. Posts like kingofstory add absolutely no value to the conversation, especially since I'm in Vietnam and have already had the surgery. Where I can try to provide some value is by sharing my experience about a place that most people immediately dismiss, but at least a few people are wondering about. I still read about LL, but rarely from the forums. I usually read from medical journals.

Anyone trying to persuade others to not go Vietnam is making worthwhile post. Hopefully others wont end up in a future fate similar to what yours will be. You should be looking into getting one of these.


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Glad to hear that you're doing well, normy. I don't blame you about the lack of updates, the boredom phase seems to hit everyone no matter how pumped you start out.

I agree that it can get toxic in here, so feel free to write something up beforehand and posting it when you get a chance. You don't even need to read the replies, just ask people to PM you. Keep it up!

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Quote from: littlerichard on January 19, 2018, 03:19:35 AMAnyone trying to persuade others to not go Vietnam is making worthwhile post. Hopefully others wont end up in a future fate similar to what yours will be. You should be looking into getting one of these.

He has already gone through surgery, he's at his most vulnerable in the distraction phase. Why don't you hold the "I told you so" posts until it's called for? It's possible that this will be a routine, boring CLL diary with only minor complications (i.e. the best kind). No point in rubbing in something that's unfounded, normy's a big boy and he knew the risks. Feel free to start a new thread about disapprovals, but maybe a person's diary isn't the best place to do it (and really, what hasn't been said here already).

Immortal words of Thumper:

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Quote from: Android on January 19, 2018, 06:34:06 AMHe has already gone through surgery, he's at his most vulnerable in the distraction phase. Why don't you hold the "I told you so" posts until it's called for? It's possible that this will be a routine, boring CLL diary with routine minor complications (i.e. the best kind). No point in rubbing in something that's unfounded, normy's a big boy and he knew the risks. Feel free to start a new thread about disapprovals, but maybe a person's diary isn't the best place to do it (and really, what hasn't been said here already).

Immortal words of Thumper:



Yes. And he's not doing quadrilaterals anymore, thankfully. Normy already went and got the surgery. Even if Richard personally disagrees with getting CLL in Vietnam, he needs to think of the fellow human being he is talking to. Psychological factors can be a problem in recovering from any health related issues, so, if he thinks CLL in Vietnam is really that bad, he needs to realize he is making it "even" worse.

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That's the partially the problem with anonymity on the internet. Things people wouldn't say in person, they say on the internet all the time. People don't seem to take into account the other human being with similar emotions that read their negative comments. The anonymity is making us worse people towards each other. Let's say I do end up disabled, and it was my fault because I voluntarily decided to do this surgery, is that something to rejoice? Let's say someone is badly injured because they were riding a motorcycle too fast for their abilities. That was voluntary. Do you make fun of them? Would you in person?
I can be very harsh when it comes to me attacking ideas, especially on the internet. However, that's the thing, I attack the idea and rarely the person, because it shows, if anything, a lack of good argument and reflects more upon me than the person I'm trying to attack. Attack the idea of gettting the surgery in Vietnam, instead of being like "haha, you're going to be in a wheelchair and a drain on the economy that my tax dollars pay for. Haha". If Vietnam sucks, then tell me why it sucks. Have you been here? Are you going to cite things like GDP per capita, or infant mortality rate? Are you a doctor? Have you even ever left your home country before? What qualifications do you have? You also talk a lot like DrSarcastic or whatever myriad of names that person had. Are you just another iteration? Because if so, that's definitely time consuming, and pretty sad.

I get the skepticism, Vietnam is a developing country. You walk down the streets and see trash in the gutters and pollution in the river. I've occasionally been disgusted by this country before, but you know, I actually kind of like it here because I see a bright future for this country in just a few decades. Liking this country contributed to my decision to have the surgery here instead of Russia. I'm studying to be a doctor and have thus volunteered and witnessed many surgeries in hospitals all around this world, including many " craphole" countries. I can get a good feeling if a doctor is skilled or not. There are good and bad doctors everywhere, but the highly skilled doctors, even in developing countries are still highly skilled. I feel this doctor is pretty skilled. If he felt sketchy, I wouldn't have gone through with the surgery, even at a very good price. My freedom of mobility is more important than saving a few thousand dollars. So, you're still not adding anything because you don't provide new information. Like I said before, everyone here knows what's involved: breaking legs and pulling them apart. Everyone knows there is risk. What value are you providing, besides being a crapposter? If this is your thing, do you also go to transgender forums and make fun of them? How about just average plastic surgery forums? Or how about just autistic support forums, while we're at it.

I took a risk. I wasn't fully uncertain in advance the quality of the doctor I went with because I didn't see his surgeries before having it myself. However, I met a patient of his who turned out well. I saw that the facilities were good, the staff were professional, and the quality of materials were good. That was enough for me to take the risk myself, especially since the price was right. Look, I get absolutely nothing by posting good about this doctor and Vietnam. I've already paid for this surgery months ago. They're not going to pay me to advertise on some obscure forum that I'm not even sure the doctor knows exists. What I do get is some satisfaction for standing up for truth as I see it from my perspective. Knowing what I know now, I still would have gone to Vietnam for this surgery, unless I happened to be making over a million dollars per year, and that would only be so I could stay in the US/Europe to work. If the outcome is good and the price is good, that's the place I'm going to get the surgery. Even if I were making $100K per year, I couldn't justify spending the entirety of my income on a surgery that can be done with similar outcomes elsewhere for significantly less. It's just value propostion, and even if the US surgery were "only" $40k, I would still probably strongly consider going to Vietnam. Europe and the US just doesn't make good economic sense for this particular surgery, unless you're just absolutely ballerific wealthy and utterly set on using internals only. If that opinion changes, I'll truthfully let the forum know, unless I get too provoked, delete my account, and ragequit the forum entirely.

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The only sensible thing you have done is not go ahead with qaudrilaterals. You still made the idiotic decision to do the surgery so no one is trying to talk you out of it dumbass. This is to warn the gullible idiots that might actually be thinking in following in your idiotic footsteps. You say that ass of a country Vietnam will be developed, which would only happen in a long long long long long long.... time from now. You fool India is a powerhouse in terms of population and it's still in the garbage. How would the much smaller, poorer vietnam do what they cant. Right now as trump would say its a $hltthole. Besides lacking faith in you for your obvious lack of iq to even consider quadrilateral, there were other idiots making threads from Vietnam that seemed like complete scammers. So if you decided to leave the forum you would be doing a service to keep idiots from doing the same idiotic mistakes.

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Nice ad-hominems. You've clearly never taken a university-level rhetorics class. Who probably knows more about Vietnam? You, the person that can't string together a coherent sentence without reusing an insult ("idiots"), or the person that is currently there?
Why do you care about all the "gullible idiots" on this forum anyway? Who made you their Messiah? Clearly, you can't care too much, since you seem to have no problem insulting their intelligence also. If you don't like Vietnam, don't fking come to Vietnam. Let the other adults in this forum make their own decision. You're not the Limb Lengthening Jesus and they don't need you. Get a life. The only reason I bother responding to you is because I currently have a lot of free time. What's your excuse? Why do you spend so much time on these forums? I have a reason to be here. Are you only here because you have nothing better going on?
I'm willing to bet that you haven't been to either India, Vietnam, or even outside of your own region of the world.