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Posted on Sep 27, 2013, 6:08 am
#11

Quote from: TomD on September 27, 2013, 05:40:28 AM I am going to find out his real name and his location and post it here and anywhere I can. So if people were wronged by the advice he gave out on his 'approved list' , he can be sued and whatnot.


That is a great idea! Remember that story about those guys who found out old forum A name and address and ended up at his house. Who knows if that's true but it's definitely possible.

I want to say that I think it's a great idea not because I want someone to find him and attack him or something like that but because public humiliation has worked for centuries in teaching people a lesson. If Apotheosis decides to shut down old forum  because he knows people are committed in trying to discover his true identity or someone did find out his true identity and posted it all over the internet then that would be a great day and help save who knows how many people from taking his advice and ruining their legs and lives!

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Posted on Sep 27, 2013, 6:23 pm
#12

Yeah. I dont advocate 'knee capping ' the bastard , but I sure FELT like it.

He is being a true prick but its no reason for him to be in a wheel chair for the rest of his life. He has kids he has to look after (or most likely pay child support for) .

I have no idea how a guy can afford 150 grand in fees to become taller but then needs to scrounge around and screw everyone like this to make a few bucks in commission.

Lets face it, how many guys are doing LL right now ? How much commission could he possibly be making ? 5k per month?

You can make 10 times that amount smuggling oxycontin into the country or whatever instead of potentially crippling a guy because you sent him to a quack.

This is why I strongly suggest we put up his real name and address up for the public in case one of his patients ends up crippled. The guy is NOT a doctor nor expert in the field nor has any right to have an 'approved list' or suggest he knows what he is talking about.

He can vouch for the two surgeries he personally had. That is it.

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Posted on Oct 17, 2013, 7:00 pm
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Is this true that he is doing arm lengthening in Germany right now?

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Posted on Oct 17, 2013, 8:27 pm
#14

I have no idea.

When it comes to the guy as a patient, I wish him the best of luck .  Make Me Taller SysOp Is Apotheosis

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Posted on Oct 21, 2013, 7:34 pm
#15

Something that keeps coming to my mind, is that all the so called experts on the other place, are people who have had complications, are not back to normal and they're dishing out all the advice. They act like they know everything, but they're only experienced at LL without healing properly.They may be so desperate to get better, that this how they became so comprised. If they cannot afford more treatment after they're left in a mess, they may be offered free or discounted treatment in exchange for pushing people to the particular Doctors. I cannot imagine how many people they could have hurt by lying and misleading about the non-existent positive outcomes. It would be great to hear from some people who have had successful outcomes,

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Posted on Oct 22, 2013, 6:29 pm
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Quote from: Goodnews on October 21, 2013, 07:34:13 PMSomething that keeps coming to my mind, is that all the so called experts on the other place, are people who have had complications, are not back to normal and they're dishing out all the advice. They act like they know everything, but they're only experienced at LL without healing properly.They may be so desperate to get better, that this how they became so comprised. If they cannot afford more treatment after they're left in a mess, they may be offered free or discounted treatment in exchange for pushing people to the particular Doctors. I cannot imagine how many people they could have hurt by lying and misleading about the non-existent positive outcomes. It would be great to hear from some people who have had successful outcomes,



I noticed that as well, and it's another reason why I get annoyed whenever the admin of that other site says it's his "job" to promote leg lengthening and make it more available to everyone - because we really need more people to rush into the surgery without knowing all the risks and end up crippled, right? The fact is, most orthopedic surgeons do not have the required training/aren't competent enough to perform this operation and see through the patient's aftercare effectively. Limb lengthening is an operation that is very invasive to the body and demands expertise that most orthopedic surgeons just do not have - we have a perfect example of this with mmn_native's leg lengthening disaster in Iran. For the admin of the other site to have lengthened 8 inches in total and then push to have the surgery become more widespread, that just tells me what a sick individual that guy is, and I'll tell you (and anyone else who is reading this) why I believe so.

To have lengthened that much on each segment, there is absolutely no way that his bones and soft tissues (blood vessels, nerves, tendons, ligaments, etc) will recover to where they were prior. If he had actually lengthened 8 inches like he claims, he'd no doubt be walking with a cane, crutches, or other form of support. He knows he's living with consequences and won't admit that he shouldn't have lengthened that much. But instead of realizing that he's made a mistake in his lengthening process what does he do? He goes to unknown doctors not adequately trained in Ilizarov surgeries to make a profit off what they earn, using those desperate to get taller as his guinea pigs.

Of course, this is all provided on whether the admin of the other site actually lengthened from 5'6 to 6'2. I really have my doubts now. I believe he went through the lengthening process but I'm speculative of whether he really lengthened as much as he claimed. Who's to say he didn't take the x-rays of another Betz patient and put them on the site as his own? Every scam artist takes advantage of other peoples' anxiety, and in this case Sysop is taking advantage of the feelings of inferiority and anxiety that other short men face. The admin of the other site, Sysop, has definitely made a lot of money off of this, and his goal in promoting lengthening is only to make more of that money. This is particularly dangerous to those naive about this procedure and/or very desperate to get taller. Limb lengthening is something that, in my opinion, should not be "promoted" to make more readily available. There will be a hell of a lot of people naive to the possible consequences that can (and will) arise from surgery done incorrectly, too much or too fast lengthening, improper physiotherapy, etc. Safety should be top priority, not affordability/accessibility.

This is all imo.

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Posted on Nov 30, 2013, 10:45 pm
#17

Hi Kilokahn,
it is true, he lengthend his legs 20 cm with Betz. He is also currently lengthening his arms.
Still he seems to have a non-union in his right tibia. This is a very serious complication.
I fully agree with you that cosmetic ll should not be promoted. It is just selling a dream, but
the reality is very bitter indeed. There are many things which can go wrong and unfortunately
they do go wrong very frequently. Most people would abstain from cll if they were aware of the
complication rates.You can be sure that most of the abrubtly ending diaries are from people with
major complications.

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Posted on Nov 30, 2013, 11:46 pm
#18

Quote from: Mime on November 30, 2013, 10:45:20 PMHi Kilokahn,
it is true, he lengthend his legs 20 cm with Betz. He is also currently lengthening his arms.
Still he seems to have a non-union in his right tibia. This is a very serious complication.
I fully agree with you that cosmetic ll should not be promoted. It is just selling a dream, but
the reality is very bitter indeed. There are many things which can go wrong and unfortunately
they do go wrong very frequently. Most people would abstain from cll if they were aware of the
complication rates.You can be sure that most of the abrubtly ending diaries are from people with
major complications.


Do you know what you're saying??

Apotheosis is lengthening his arms?

Tell us how you can say this. How do you know this?

I can't believe this. The risk is too high with AL.

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Posted on Dec 1, 2013, 12:00 am
#19

Quote from: Sweden on November 30, 2013, 11:46:53 PMDo you know what you're saying??

Apotheosis is lengthening his arms?

Tell us how you can say this. How do you know this?

I can't believe this. The risk is too high with AL.


I'd also like this clarifying since this is not the first time I have heard about it.

I am also quite sure complications are higher than advertised too.

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Posted on Dec 1, 2013, 1:09 am
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Quote from: Mime on November 30, 2013, 10:45:20 PMHi Kilokahn,
it is true, he lengthend his legs 20 cm with Betz. He is also currently lengthening his arms.
Still he seems to have a non-union in his right tibia. This is a very serious complication.
I fully agree with you that cosmetic ll should not be promoted. It is just selling a dream, but
the reality is very bitter indeed. There are many things which can go wrong and unfortunately
they do go wrong very frequently. Most people would abstain from cll if they were aware of the
complication rates.You can be sure that most of the abrubtly ending diaries are from people with
major complications.


A thread on old forum  (can't find it now, perhaps not so surprisingly) says that he got stem cell injections. This would likely support the non-union allegations. There's a reason he's posted fewer pics and no videos following his second LL.

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