My son's growth

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Quote from: galaxy1 on January 15, 2015, 06:05:43 PMThe question I have is if there are cancer risk with growth hormones and if it is too late to begin the treatment for girls and if my insurance will pay for all this. I'll find this out soon.

Cancer risk is very low, studies exist, just google them up. If she's 13, that means she still has about 1 year of growth and her plates are in the process of closing. That means you need HIGH dosages of HGH. I've actually made a lot of research about all of this when I was 16 myself and I did abuse HGH (at 10 IU/day, no insurance, no prescription, our own money) at that point though it was too late. Keep in mind that rHG costs a lot that's why the dosages in the studies are so low, and thus the gain, government can't afford it to a point of actually making someone average, they usually adjust the dosage just for it to be enough to bring you to 'minimum normal height', like 150-160 cm. In your situation, the only real thing you can do is to abuse rGH, you need hardcore dosages to gain anything. You should've started GH therapy earlier, seeing that she's shorter than her peers.

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Quote from: galaxy1 on January 15, 2015, 06:05:43 PMThe question I have is if there are cancer risk with growth hormones and if it is too late to begin the treatment for girls and if my insurance will pay for all this. I'll find this out soon.

Cancer risk is very low, studies exist, just google them up. If she's 13, that means she still has about 1 year of growth and her plates are in the process of closing. That means you need HIGH dosages of HGH. I've actually made a lot of research about all of this when I was 16 myself and I did abuse HGH (at 10 IU/day, no insurance, no prescription, our own money) at that point though it was too late. Keep in mind that rHG costs a lot that's why the dosages in the studies are so low, and thus the gain, government can't afford it to a point of actually making someone average, they usually adjust the dosage just for it to be enough to bring you to 'minimum normal height', like 150-160 cm. In your situation, the only real thing you can do is to abuse rGH, you need hardcore dosages to gain anything. You should've started GH therapy earlier, seeing that she's shorter than her peers.

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At least his dad's height. He is 5.3 only. I want 5.5 at least.

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At least his dad's height. He is 5.3 only. I want 5.5 at least.

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I think my doctor told me also that it is too expensive for insurance companies to do this for everyone. Now question, they check IGF-1 for the limit.They raise the dosage according to IGF-1 levels. do you know the safest levels?

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Quote from: suzannaxyz on January 15, 2015, 10:31:36 PMI think my doctor told me also that it is too expensive for insurance companies to do this for everyone. Now question, they check IGF-1 for the limit.They raise the dosage according to IGF-1 levels. do you know the safest levels?

I haven't heard of limits, but check this out: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11061518
Quote High dose rhGH was well tolerated, with a similar safety profile as standard dose treatment and no difference in hemoglobin A1c or glucose concentrations between groups. In summary, compared to conventional treatment, high dose rhGH therapy in adolescents 1) increased near-adult height and height SD scores significantly, 2) did not increase the rate of skeletal maturation, and 3) appears to be well tolerated and safe. In conclusion, high dose rhGH therapy may have a beneficial effect in adolescent GH-deficient patients, particularly those who are most growth retarded at the start of puberty.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11202212
QuoteThe importance of routinely monitoring serum levels of insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) and IGF-binding protein-3 is an emerging paradigm. Firm roles have been established for this approach in the assurance of compliance and safety (particularly to avoid long-term theoretical risks).

QuoteIn addition, serum IGF-I measurements are increasingly used as part of a rational monitoring strategy to ensure safety of GH dosing in light of cumulative data associating high IGF-I levels with potential malignancy risk, and low IGF-I levels with cardiovascular disease risk.

So if I understand it right, the only reason they limit the dosage is because of theoretical malignancy risks. Well, if your son stays 5'3", you will get no theoretical, but real risks of long-term depression and suicide. I wouldn't think twice and just double or even triple the dose, if it was my son, but... I was never very conservative in the first place, that's why I'm doing LL.

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Thank you. I will think what to do. I need to get it by myself since the insurance pays only for 1.2 mg. I read that the best outcome was 3.0mg.

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Quote from: exclide on January 15, 2015, 09:54:21 PMCancer risk is very low, studies exist, just google them up. If she's 13, that means she still has about 1 year of growth and her plates are in the process of closing. That means you need HIGH dosages of HGH. I've actually made a lot of research about all of this when I was 16 myself and I did abuse HGH (at 10 IU/day, no insurance, no prescription, our own money) at that point though it was too late. Keep in mind that rHG costs a lot that's why the dosages in the studies are so low, and thus the gain, government can't afford it to a point of actually making someone average, they usually adjust the dosage just for it to be enough to bring you to 'minimum normal height', like 150-160 cm. In your situation, the only real thing you can do is to abuse rGH, you need hardcore dosages to gain anything. You should've started GH therapy earlier, seeing that she's shorter than her peers.

She recently turned 12, so not 13 yet. She attends a predominately hispanic school, 70 to 30 ratio. She blended in I suppose and was the same height as the friends in her close circle or so I thought. Believe it or not I always believed that growth for all girls generally continued until at least age 15 and because of this, I never had a reason to be overly concerned with her height. I always felt everything was right on track with her and  that there is still plenty of time to grow for her. I had no clue it was based on puberty and on a girls first cycle. In her class every year there were say 12 girls, and she was more in the middle range for height.  4 girls were shorter than my daughter, 4 were the same height, and 4 were taller. I think I may have just been extremely relieved and content with the fact that she was not in the shorter group like I always had been in school.

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I know that she measured herself over the weekened at 4'11" but I think she looks closer to 5'0" imo.        Realistically I never was expecting anything close to 5' 5" but thought surely at least 5' 2" at best . Her father is 5' 9" afterall and two grandfathers 5' 11"  &  5' 10" on two sides. I think I will also have the doctor check her for any spinal curves, I do see an overexagerated curve in her lower lumbar area and for whatever reason she has bad posture and she won't stand absolutely tall and erect when I ask her to.

I'm just peeved that the girls who are drinking the carbonated sodas and eat crap for food and who were my daughters same height last school year are now taller than my daughter this school year by at least one whole inch, and will likely continue to grow even further, especially the ones who say have not even begun their cycles yet. 

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Quote from: galaxy1 on January 16, 2015, 04:23:14 AM
She recently turned 12, so not 13 yet. She attends a predominately hispanic school, 70 to 30 ratio. She blended in I suppose and was the same height as the friends in her close circle or so I thought. Believe it or not I always believed that growth for all girls generally continued until at least age 15 and because of this, I never had a reason to be overly concerned with her height. I always felt everything was right on track with her and  that there is still plenty of time to grow for her. I had no clue it was based on puberty and on a girls first cycle. In her class every year there were say 12 girls, and she was more in the middle range for height.  4 girls were shorter than my daughter, 4 were the same height, and 4 were taller. I think I may have just been extremely relieved and content with the fact that she was not in the shorter group like I always had been in school.

Same thing sorta happened to me. I remember being measured when I was 12 years old at 5'6. I was so excited; i was finally the height of my mother! I though to myself "wow, I can't wait until I am 6'0, or even 6'3"! But, I stopped growing. I didn't grow at all after that. I tried talking to my mother, but by the time she started caring, my growth plates were already closed. Now, here I am, at 5'6.5", with my growth stunted.