PRECICE UNYTE Cobalt Chrome (PRECICE v3.0)

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Pricing for an additional $5,000 U.S. Dollars for the STRYDE nail.

Dr. Rozbruch: * U.S. Medical Insurance Coverage
Femur: ~$50,000
Tibia: ~$50,000

Dr. Debiparshad: * Includes Physical Therapy
Femur: $73,000
Tibia: $77,000

Dr. Paley * Includes Physical Therapy
Femur: $95,000
Tibia: $105,000

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$50,000-$100,000 is an unreachable amount of money for most people in a single payment. Dr. Debiparshad has stated he is trying to work with NuVasive to arrange financing options for patients, but that is currently not in place with no specific target date.

The following companies offer financing with competitive rates for up to $100,000 in the form of a straightforward personal loan. These products can potentially offer patients financial access to the top doctors around the world listed in the previous posts in this thread who are or will be using the full weight bearing STRYDE nail. Everyone should be able to have this surgery without taking extremely dangerous risks to their legs and life simply because they don't have the money.

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$50,000-$100,000 is an unreachable amount of money for most people in a single payment. Dr. Debiparshad has stated he is trying to work with NuVasive to arrange financing options for patients, but that is currently not in place with no specific target date.

The following companies offer financing with competitive rates for up to $100,000 in the form of a straightforward personal loan. These products can potentially offer patients financial access to the top doctors around the world listed in the previous posts in this thread who are or will be using the full weight bearing STRYDE nail. Everyone should be able to have this surgery without taking extremely dangerous risks to their legs and life simply because they don't have the money.

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Hey guys, sorry to rain on your parade, but there are some misconceptions here about the weight bearing thing in general. As I pointed out earlier there is a big mistake in the presentation from Dr. Paley. The 4-point bending test he is referring to is certainly the one defined by the standard ASTM F1264. The results of these tests are bending moments which are measured in Nm, I.e. Newton meters. Pounds make no sense whatsoever because the force needs to be multiplied with half the distance between the loading point and the support.
The resulting value does not constitute the maximum weight of a patient or something similar. It is only used to compare different nails. Therefore the figures presented by Dr. Paley mean that Precice Stryde is stronger than Precice2 by a factor of around 2.2. That's a very good result, however doesn't mean full weight bearing for all patients.
So if you want to know the weight bearing capacity of Stryde you must take the capacity of Precice2 and multiply with 2.2.

Hope this helps.

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Hey guys, sorry to rain on your parade, but there are some misconceptions here about the weight bearing thing in general. As I pointed out earlier there is a big mistake in the presentation from Dr. Paley. The 4-point bending test he is referring to is certainly the one defined by the standard ASTM F1264. The results of these tests are bending moments which are measured in Nm, I.e. Newton meters. Pounds make no sense whatsoever because the force needs to be multiplied with half the distance between the loading point and the support.
The resulting value does not constitute the maximum weight of a patient or something similar. It is only used to compare different nails. Therefore the figures presented by Dr. Paley mean that Precice Stryde is stronger than Precice2 by a factor of around 2.2. That's a very good result, however doesn't mean full weight bearing for all patients.
So if you want to know the weight bearing capacity of Stryde you must take the capacity of Precice2 and multiply with 2.2.

Hope this helps.

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Quote from: hanshi on May 19, 2018, 08:05:14 PMHey guys, sorry to rain on your parade, but there are some misconceptions here about the weight bearing thing in general. As I pointed out earlier there is a big mistake in the presentation from Dr. Paley. The 4-point bending test he is referring to is certainly the one defined by the standard ASTM F1264. The results of these tests are bending moments which are measured in Nm, I.e. Newton meters. Pounds make no sense whatsoever because the force needs to be multiplied with half the distance between the loading point and the support.
The resulting value does not constitute the maximum weight of a patient or something similar. It is only used to compare different nails. Therefore the figures presented by Dr. Paley mean that Precice Stryde is stronger than Precice2 by a factor of around 2.2. That's a very good result, however doesn't mean full weight bearing for all patients.
Hope this helps.

Thx for your math, but can you clarify whom (if not all patients) stryde will benefit?

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Quote from: hanshi on May 19, 2018, 08:05:14 PMHey guys, sorry to rain on your parade, but there are some misconceptions here about the weight bearing thing in general. As I pointed out earlier there is a big mistake in the presentation from Dr. Paley. The 4-point bending test he is referring to is certainly the one defined by the standard ASTM F1264. The results of these tests are bending moments which are measured in Nm, I.e. Newton meters. Pounds make no sense whatsoever because the force needs to be multiplied with half the distance between the loading point and the support.
The resulting value does not constitute the maximum weight of a patient or something similar. It is only used to compare different nails. Therefore the figures presented by Dr. Paley mean that Precice Stryde is stronger than Precice2 by a factor of around 2.2. That's a very good result, however doesn't mean full weight bearing for all patients.
So if you want to know the weight bearing capacity of Stryde you must take the capacity of Precice2 and multiply with 2.2.

Hope this helps.

hanshi-

While I appreciate your mathematical abilities, you aren't revealing any new information or raining on anyone's parade. The reason why is that you are simply converting already known existing quantities. 

Explanation: The fatigue load of PRECICE (v2.2) = 66kg. The fatigue load of STRYDE = 145kg.

66kg * 2.2 = 145kg

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Quote from: Stadiometer, Esq on May 19, 2018, 08:35:15 PMhanshi-

While I appreciate your mathematical abilities, you aren't revealing any new information or raining on anyone's parade. The reason why is that you are simply converting already known existing quantities. 

Explanation: The fatigue load of PRECICE (v2.2) = 66kg. The fatigue load of STRYDE = 145kg.

66kg * 2.2 = 145kg

Man you don't get it. Do you understand the difference between kg, N and Nm?

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From the Precice Instructions for Use:"During the distraction phase, patient should not participle in....... activities that cause more than 20% of body weight to be loaded on implanted leg"

With the new nail being 2.2 times stronger, why do you assume you can do full weight bearing? Your misconception comes from the fact that the only 2 nails which are advertised as fully weight bearing are manufactured by the doctors themselves (Guichet and Betz). They do this advertising because they can destroy the evidence I'm case something happens. Also, they are both known as crooks.
A serious manufacturer like Nuvasive won't ever do such a thing.

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If search on internet about receant publications regarding toxicity of cobalt implants there is many as these two from 2017 from UK and from Netherlands:
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crior/2017/9123684/
Fatal Cobalt Toxicity after a Non-Metal-on-Metal Total Hip Arthroplasty - from Netherlands
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5259873/
Neuropsychiatric symptoms following metal-on-metal implant failure with cobalt and chromium toxicity