Seriously thinking this through

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Hi Guys,
The surgeries were done independently, i.e two years apart by two different expert/experienced Surgeons on two different continents , neither Doctor had an issue with retrograde insertions(one of the Doctors has worked with Paley before WP Beach) .
But now personally, if I could turn back time, I would definitely prefer a surgeon perform Ante-grade insertion, and go no-where near my precious knees !.

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I also read some scientific paper saying that the Antregrade method has for result some permanent hips pain for about 10-20% patients
Does any LL warrior experiment such thing ?

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Quote from: TheAlchemist on January 14, 2020, 02:17:55 AMSuperficial skin numbness. From what Dr. Robbins told me she is ambulatory but has lost sensitivity / any feeling on the skin of her shin.

Do you know if her case result from the surgery itself or from the lengthening (which could have been stoppen/slow down) ?

Thanks!

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Quote from: 5cm Stryde on January 13, 2020, 04:04:13 PMIFS, no offence but in my opinion, you are really misleading future potential patient.
CLL is just the most dangerous cosmetic surgery ever done (no other way to put it). The risk of dying is higher than any other cosmetic surgery , the recovery time way higher, and the long term outcome is just unknown (even by Doctors)

This is your opinion on LL, yet you still plan LL for 2 inches. I don't understand why?

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Quote from: 5cm Stryde on January 13, 2020, 04:04:13 PMCLL is just the most dangerous cosmetic surgery ever done (no other way to put it). The risk of dying is higher than any other cosmetic surgery

This is simply not true. LL is much safer than a lot of  other cosmetic surgeries, like liposuction for example.

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Hi BetzandLiberator,

I would be happy to be wrong but according to documentation (I give some example), LL is more risky.

For Liposusction, the major complication rate is 0,7% as described here : https://academic.oup.com/asj/article/37/6/680/3744817

For LL, it is a bit more difficult to find data but we can use as source the youtube video of Paley where it shows a 4% fat embolism incidence which is by itself already a major complication.
We can also use external source not directly related to CCL as this one : https://riskcalculator.facs.org/RiskCalculator/Outcome.jsp  => the rate of serious complication is about 4-5% so really more risky than Liposuction.

If you have other figures, please share as I find it always interesting.
But don't be biais because your surgery went well, it does not mean it will be the case for others. I have looked on various studies and asked various Doctors, and my result is that CLL is really the most risky cosmetic surgery. If you have different results, I am happy to discuss.

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Quote from: 5cm Stryde on February 12, 2020, 12:27:46 AMHi BetzandLiberator,

I would be happy to be wrong but according to documentation (I give some example), LL is more risky.

When I have the time I'll look some sources and put here but I remember quite well comparing the statistics before I did my first LL and it's not even closer. You have tons of death cases with Liposuction, Bariatric surgery and others. Not so much with LL.

Keep in mind that a cosmetic LL is exactly the same as a non-cosmetic LL and those are performed all the time. And the principles of LL are well understood and practiced since the 1950s.

Most complications of LL occur after the surgery.

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on February 11, 2020, 11:48:32 PMThis is your opinion on LL, yet you still plan LL for 2 inches. I don't understand why?

Hi Wannabetaller,

It is a good question. Rationnaly I think CLL is a big mistake for everyone. Emotionnaly, it is a different story as fI soon as I go out, I feel depressed about my height.
So at this end of the day, it is a personnal decision between pros and cons.

My previous post was more to show that CLL is indeed a really risky procedure (in cosmectic terms) and according to FullStryde's comments or other users, it sometimes appears it is not. So I just wanted to clarify and maybe help some people to get an appropriate picture.

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Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on February 12, 2020, 12:32:55 AMWhen I have the time I'll look some sources and put here but I remember quite well comparing the statistics before I did my first LL and it's not even closer. You have tons of death cases with Liposuction, Bariatric surgery and others. Not so much with LL.

Keep in mind that a cosmetic LL is exactly the same as a non-cosmetic LL and those are performed all the time. And the principles of LL are well understood and practiced since the 1950s.

Most complications of LL occur after the surgery.

Hi BetzandLiberator,

Thank you for the reply and I will wait for your sources.
Just a last comment on my part is the fact that for the death or major complication part, I don't use source from Ilizarov procedure but only for femoral nailing (which is by far more convenient but also more risky regarding major complication).
Otherwise, the fact that a surgery is made all the time doesn't proof it is safe : Knee replacement is one of the most made surgery in the US and really well understand but still the death rate is about 1/400 (Liposition death rate is about 1/5000 so knee replacement is 10 times more risky regarding death).

And on top of that, you are right, most complications of LL occur after the surgery.


Edit : I just made a quick check and you are right Bariatric surgery seems by far more risky

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Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on February 12, 2020, 12:32:55 AMWhen I have the time I'll look some sources and put here but I remember quite well comparing the statistics before I did my first LL and it's not even closer. You have tons of death cases with Liposuction, Bariatric surgery and others. Not so much with LL.

Keep in mind that a cosmetic LL is exactly the same as a non-cosmetic LL and those are performed all the time. And the principles of LL are well understood and practiced since the 1950s.

Most complications of LL occur after the surgery.

Hi BetzandLiberator,

Thank you for the reply and I will wait for your sources.
Just a last comment on my part is the fact that for the death or major complication part, I don't use source from Ilizarov procedure but only for femoral nailing (which is by far more convenient but also more risky regarding major complication).
Otherwise, the fact that a surgery is made all the time doesn't proof it is safe : Knee replacement is one of the most made surgery in the US and really well understand but still the death rate is about 1/400 (Liposition death rate is about 1/5000 so knee replacement is 10 times more risky regarding death).

And on top of that, you are right, most complications of LL occur after the surgery.


Edit : I just made a quick check and you are right Bariatric surgery seems by far more risky