Sounds good, I’ll write nice and neat just for you next time.
Any thoughts on this neurosis bs? I dont give af about being a half inch taller and getting to 5’10.” Too many people on this forum chase every little ounce of height gain possible even when it won’t look right. The point of this surgery is to boost your appeal, which means proportions should be factored into the height gain ten fold.
For example, a guy that goes from 5’ 5” to 5’ 10” with normal starting proportions will almost never look like a true 5’ 10” guy (narrow clavicles, short torso, short arms, likely small hands) so why chase a high number when it will not be much of a benefit publicly speaking and completely ruin your appeal. If you actually have the ideal proportions to lengthen 5 inches (which almost no one will have) then go for it, but otherwise you are literally making yourself uglier which is not worth the trade off.
Sure, maybe I do have severe proportions neurosis as I doubt many other patients on this forum would do quadrilateral surgery to lengthen under 4cm per segment each. But if there’s one thing I’m grateful for, its that I knew my limits and stayed in a conservative enough range to where I can jump from 15%ile to 50%ile height without anyone batting much of an eye. There are tons of patients on this forum that can’t say the same because they over lengthened and look like uncanny t-rexes.
Quote from: GC Quad on December 18, 2025, 11:09:21 AMSounds good, I’ll write nice and neat just for you next time.
Any thoughts on this neurosis bs? I dont give af about being a half inch taller and getting to 5’10.” Too many people on this forum chase every little ounce of height gain possible even when it won’t look right. The point of this surgery is to boost your appeal, which means proportions should be factored into the height gain ten fold.
For example, a guy that goes from 5’ 5” to 5’ 10” with normal starting proportions will almost never look like a true 5’ 10” guy (narrow clavicles, short torso, short arms, likely small hands) so why chase a high number when it will not be much of a benefit publicly speaking and completely ruin your appeal. If you actually have the ideal proportions to lengthen 5 inches (which almost no one will have) then go for it, but otherwise you are literally making yourself uglier which is not worth the trade off.
Sure, maybe I do have severe proportions neurosis as I doubt many other patients on this forum would do quadrilateral surgery to lengthen under 4cm per segment each. But if there’s one thing I’m grateful for, its that I knew my limits and stayed in a conservative enough range to where I can jump from 15%ile to 50%ile height without anyone batting much of an eye. There are tons of patients on this forum that can’t say the same because they over lengthened and look like uncanny t-rexes.
All of those exist in a distribution in the regular population as to be possible for a regular 5'10 guy to have, the same way a 5'5 guy can have the appropriate proportion to lengthen that far. The nature of normal distributions dictates that this is true
Whose to say it makes you uglier, maybe if your going from 6' to 6'1 etc and that would ruin your proportion sure, but height is more important to most degrees unless your proportion is ridiculous.
Also for arm length, it is possible to gain thru humeral lengthening, and as far as im aware aesthetically it looks good for at least a few cm, which can make your wingspan a few inches longer which will almost definitely bring you in a normal range of whatever height.
sitting height is probably the biggest concern but people with long legs do exist, I honestly prefer a long legged look as long as it natural looking.
Also most here are not going for quadrilateral, you have to be really on the edges of proportions (like one of the taller people who have a similar proportion to someone much shorter) for it to look bad.
How many people do you see everyday? and how many do you think have weird proportion? probably 0. even 5-6in LL will probably not put someone into such a weird proportion. once your getting to 3SD that's when you can start to get concerned. Even a 6in lengthening for me would put me at ~7 percentile SHR, which sure is pretty high, but that means you see guys like that every day, and is within 2sd.
This follows the same principle as height. Why is LL best for people around 5'6? because it pushes them from a low percentile to a medium one despite being the same absolute distance at all heights. Inversely it applies to proportions, they only start becoming a problem once they start pushing to extreme percentiles. Is it gonna matter if you lose 1 inch of arm length such that it makes you 30 percentile instead of 50? no not really, but it would if it took you from 10 to .05. Obviously the same scales dont exactly apply in every scenario and there are particular differences with each segment, but that's the basic logic.
proportions are not worth height ten fold, a great proportioned 5'7 guy is not as attractive as a 6'0 guy with bad proportion all other things equal unless its inhuman. proportions are a nice bonus, and sure I'd choose 5'10 with perfect proportion over 5'11 with poor proportion. but im not even sure I'd choose 5'8 with perfect proportion over 5'10 with poor proportion.
Which patients on this forum look uncanny? I don't recall even seeing one which I thought would be off enough to be noticed
I respect your opinion, I’m just sharing what I personally think about proportions because everyone seems to think differently on the topic.
I myself noticed that I look far better barefoot now than I do in any shoes over 1” whereas before surgery it was the opposite and I looked far better when wearing 2” platforms. I think what this means is that although I may look “acceptable” or even pass completely unnoticed in a bad way to the untrained eye, that I over lengthened beyond the “ideal” amount for my specific case.
Again like you said, everyone’s starting proportions are different so how much length looks good post LL always depends. I feel that I wouldve looked better at +5.5cm than I do rn at 7.5cm taller. I think getting a revision shortening surgery is very extreme, and I wont do it unless this bothers me for a while and until I fully recover first. In the meantime I’ll just cope by wearing low-profile shoes that add under 1” and avoid platforms or thick sneakers. Seems to help with the proportions neurosis a bit.
As someone trying to make a half-decent athletic recovery, I definitely wont be doing arm lengthening and would rather just shorten my legs a bit if this still bothers me long enough.
Quote from: GC Quad on December 19, 2025, 06:24:10 AMI respect your opinion, I’m just sharing what I personally think about proportions because everyone seems to think differently on the topic.
I myself noticed that I look far better barefoot now than I do in any shoes over 1” whereas before surgery it was the opposite and I looked far better when wearing 2” platforms. I think what this means is that although I may look “acceptable” or even pass completely unnoticed in a bad way to the untrained eye, that I over lengthened beyond the “ideal” amount for my specific case.
Again like you said, everyone’s starting proportions are different so how much length looks good post LL always depends. I feel that I wouldve looked better at +5.5cm than I do rn at 7.5cm taller. I think getting a revision shortening surgery is very extreme, and I wont do it unless this bothers me for a while and until I fully recover first. In the meantime I’ll just cope by wearing low-profile shoes that add under 1” and avoid platforms or thick sneakers. Seems to help with the proportions neurosis a bit.
As someone trying to make a half-decent athletic recovery, I definitely wont be doing arm lengthening and would rather just shorten my legs a bit if this still bothers me long enough.
I think your opinion is definitely valid, I would not consider arm lengthening if I was you, I only consider it because i'm looking for 15cm. Honestly if adding 2 inches gave you your optimal proportion, and now you've added 3, you are pretty close to your perfect proportion, closer than most people are even born probably. I know for me I see my optimal proportion somewhere around 5'8 which is 3 inches off my current height. I would not complain at all about that. Sure maybe you'd look 4% better an inch shorter, but the truth is 99% of humans on earth would rather take that extra inch. Definitely don't do shortening, I'm not sure if that's safe although i've heard of it before. you could get way more out of your money with any other thing. humerus lengthening is actually safe and easier than leg lengthening but I'm not sure how It performs athletically, I've been told it causes rotator cuff injury, so for athletics id probably stay away.
Quote from: GC Quad on December 18, 2025, 11:09:21 AMSounds good, I’ll write nice and neat just for you next time.
Any thoughts on this neurosis bs? I dont give af about being a half inch taller and getting to 5’10.” Too many people on this forum chase every little ounce of height gain possible even when it won’t look right. The point of this surgery is to boost your appeal, which means proportions should be factored into the height gain ten fold.
For example, a guy that goes from 5’ 5” to 5’ 10” with normal starting proportions will almost never look like a true 5’ 10” guy (narrow clavicles, short torso, short arms, likely small hands) so why chase a high number when it will not be much of a benefit publicly speaking and completely ruin your appeal. If you actually have the ideal proportions to lengthen 5 inches (which almost no one will have) then go for it, but otherwise you are literally making yourself uglier which is not worth the trade off.
Sure, maybe I do have severe proportions neurosis as I doubt many other patients on this forum would do quadrilateral surgery to lengthen under 4cm per segment each. But if there’s one thing I’m grateful for, its that I knew my limits and stayed in a conservative enough range to where I can jump from 15%ile to 50%ile height without anyone batting much of an eye. There are tons of patients on this forum that can’t say the same because they over lengthened and look like uncanny t-rexes.
thanks buddy boyo now its readable
many many people are out there post LL with -5 inches of wingspan to height ratio and living completely normal lives not thinking about any of this
you do seem to have a mental issue about it, you said it yourself, that is an irrational neurosis which would respond well to therapy in my opinion
for the sake of the thread, why dont you tell us what is your starting height and your wingspan. additional to wingspan what is the length of your arms?
take a full body photo of yourself with legs together(knees touching, ankles touching) in tight fitting underwear so we can see where the femur starts from and blur your crotch and face so we see if you have a real issue here
Update here 10 months post op:
The proportions neurosis has mostly gone away now that my muscle mass has returned and I am continuing to fill out my legs. I was definitely overreacting about few months ago because the drastic change in appearance was very shocking, but I am now getting more and more used to my new look and proportions.
I do still agree with the fact that I wouldve looked more aesthetically pleasing if I stopped at 6cm combined (3cm + 3cm), but the way I dress with slightly looser clothing and not wearing footwear above 3cm makes up for the slight proportional concerns I have.
Now that my legs are fully straightened out and flexibility has returned here are my main measurements:
Starting Height: 169cm
Amount lengthened: 3.8cm femur + 3.5cm tibia = 7.3cm combined
Wingspan: 177.5
Inseam: 31ish
Final Height: ~176
Thankfully my longer wingspan came mostly from my arms being long as I have pretty average clavicles which I guess are a bit below average for my new height now.
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