This is a thread to get some outside opinions of stopping short of 8 CM when lengthening w/ Precice 2.2 on the femurs. I am currently just shy of 6 CM and my plan is to stop at 6.1. My initial goal was 6 CM, as I feel like that is a good balance of recovery and length. Recovery is very important to me, if going another 2 CM means that I lose another 10% athletic ability I would not take the trade off. I am starting to get extremely tight, as I can't even bend my left knee past 90 degrees right now. I started at around 173CM and measure at 179CM now, and am in my mid-late 20s.
Standing up around family and friends on my walker I feel comfortable now. I feel fairly confident I would no longer think about my height if I were to stop where I am at. But I also do not want to regret not going the extra 2 cm in the future. Proportions matter at least a little to me, and I started with femurs on the longer end to begin with (.78 tibia to femur ratio).
I am 90% certain I will stop at 6 CM regardless, but I want to make sure I am looking at this through the correct lens. Give me your thoughts.
No one is going to notice proportions based on one 8cm length, I don't care how tall you were before or what your leg measurements were, no one notices 8cm, it'll be well within the normal range of human body sizes.
You're going to get a lot of soy paladins coming into this thread essentially opting for the less risky cucked option of stopping, along with platitudes like 'if you're feeling more confident now then that's when to stop as it's all about your mental well being blah blah blah'. I'm going to lay it on straight however: at this sort of height from like 170cm-183cm, every cm matters. Below that you're always going to be a manlet, above it you're above average and will never have any issues with any height discrimination, whether that's at work or romantically. However, within that 170-183 sort of range, your life will literally improve by each successive centimetre. 179 is a hell of a lot better than 173, but by the same token 181 is definitely better than 179.
Let's get real about muh athletic ability, you're not a professional footballer making bank and slaying women based on your sporting prowess, and I doubt you're at the top of whatever game you play. If we're just talking a kickabout with the lads after work on Friday or whatever the equivalent is in the sport you're thinking of, then being taller will be a HELL of a lot more valuable than being a tiny bit better in some amateur sports. As for walking and going up/down stairs etc (basically what 99% of the legs are used for) you can expect a full recovery of those even at 8cm.
Crack on and get the last 2cm done.
funny thing is that i'm 173 after LL ahha
Quote from: p00293 on April 11, 2023, 08:54:32 PMNo one is going to notice proportions based on one 8cm length, I don't care how tall you were before or what your leg measurements were, no one notices 8cm, it'll be well within the normal range of human body sizes.
You're going to get a lot of soy paladins coming into this thread essentially opting for the less risky cucked option of stopping, along with platitudes like 'if you're feeling more confident now then that's when to stop as it's all about your mental well being blah blah blah'. I'm going to lay it on straight however: at this sort of height from like 170cm-183cm, every cm matters. Below that you're always going to be a manlet, above it you're above average and will never have any issues with any height discrimination, whether that's at work or romantically. However, within that 170-183 sort of range, your life will literally improve by each successive centimetre. 179 is a hell of a lot better than 173, but by the same token 181 is definitely better than 179.
Let's get real about muh athletic ability, you're not a professional footballer making bank and slaying women based on your sporting prowess, and I doubt you're at the top of whatever game you play. If we're just talking a kickabout with the lads after work on Friday or whatever the equivalent is in the sport you're thinking of, then being taller will be a HELL of a lot more valuable than being a tiny bit better in some amateur sports. As for walking and going up/down stairs etc (basically what 99% of the legs are used for) you can expect a full recovery of those even at 8cm.
Crack on and get the last 2cm done.
Completely agree with the above - just push through
Just do the last 2cm. You’ll regret not going for it once you stand next to a 185+ guy at 179.
Quote from: p00293 on April 11, 2023, 08:54:32 PMNo one is going to notice proportions based on one 8cm length, I don't care how tall you were before or what your leg measurements were, no one notices 8cm, it'll be well within the normal range of human body sizes.
You're going to get a lot of soy paladins coming into this thread essentially opting for the less risky cucked option of stopping, along with platitudes like 'if you're feeling more confident now then that's when to stop as it's all about your mental well being blah blah blah'. I'm going to lay it on straight however: at this sort of height from like 170cm-183cm, every cm matters. Below that you're always going to be a manlet, above it you're above average and will never have any issues with any height discrimination, whether that's at work or romantically. However, within that 170-183 sort of range, your life will literally improve by each successive centimetre. 179 is a hell of a lot better than 173, but by the same token 181 is definitely better than 179.
Let's get real about muh athletic ability, you're not a professional footballer making bank and slaying women based on your sporting prowess, and I doubt you're at the top of whatever game you play. If we're just talking a kickabout with the lads after work on Friday or whatever the equivalent is in the sport you're thinking of, then being taller will be a HELL of a lot more valuable than being a tiny bit better in some amateur sports. As for walking and going up/down stairs etc (basically what 99% of the legs are used for) you can expect a full recovery of those even at 8cm.
Crack on and get the last 2cm done.
Respect for the honest opinion and taking the time to respond to each point.
I agree that most won't notice proportions. I do believe the proportions from femur lengthening are noticeable in pictures/videos, but almost not at all in person. However lengthening your femur will have a significant effect on biomechanics.Things like squatting, deadlifting, running etc.. I suppose you can make an argument that I've already f*cked up my biomechanics regardless, but I'd like to find the point at where I am maximizing satisfaction with my height with salvaging some ability. I was not a professional athlete, but I was definitely an athlete, worked out religiously for years, played softball/football(american) recreationally and usually was fastest or second fastest on field. I know those days are gone, but I am still taking my recovery into consideration.
People spend lots of time going to sports therapists after injuries to regain athletic ability beyond what is required for everyday life, even though they are not professionals. All that being said is that athleticism can still hold value to someone who is not a professional athlete. I probably place a higher value on it than others, just due to my lifestyle.
By your logic, I can only get to 181 cm anyway, so I should also go get tibias done as well to get the extra 2CM and be 183. A 2 CM difference is just footwear. I am not into the numbers game of you need to be this specific height to be completely satisfied. That is going to be different for everyone, and is highly dependent on who you spend your time around.
My perspective on this is different from a lot of people because this surgery really was more mental than anything else for me. You mentioned height discrimination at work/romantically, but I've always had success in my career already, I have a long term girlfriend, never felt like I couldn't get girls at all because of my height. I hit the threshold I feel I needed to.
All that being said, you bring some good points. I think others reading this will benefit from your perspective and I don't take anything away from it. Are you planning on doing lengthening/have you already done lengthening?
Quote from: Confidence on April 11, 2023, 09:43:13 PMJust do the last 2cm. You’ll regret not going for it once you stand next to a 185+ guy at 179.
Actually funny you mention this, I was around some guys standing on my walker who are probably 183-186 over the weekend and felt eye level with them, like I wasn't looking up to them. Part of the reason why I feel okay stopping.
You don't need to convince anyone other than yourself whether you should stop or not. Do what feels right to you.
It's really hard to grasp the impact on recovery between 6cm and 8cm. It's pretty obvious that you're going to recover faster if you do less. But are you going to lose more athletic ability? That's harder to answer. Let's assume for a second your athletic ability is going to be the same, but you will recover 50% faster (just throwing a number). Does it change your decision?
Your tightness is something to be more concerned with. You should definitely be able to bend your knees to at least (!) 90 degrees, and also straighten your leg with your knee touching the floor. If not then I assume your doctor might have something to say about it as well (feel free to share who that is if you're comfortable).
Other than that, how are you feeling about LL in general? Are you dreading every single day and just dying to finish? Are you in pain? Or you're just chilling? That can also make a huge difference, and there is no shame about it.
As for p00293's response - I'm 99.99999% he didn't do LL. While (some of) his arguments may seem somewhat reasonable, they're also quite silly as well. It's pretty easy to tell who actually did (or is doing) LL versus who is just talking about it. Keep in mind that most people who came here and did LL completed their recovery and forgot about this forum, so you're left with people who are going through it right now (typically they'll have a diary, but not always, like me 
), and the rest (which is the vast majority) - people who have no fking clue about LL other than reading and watching videos. You should be VERY cautious about their "advice" and "feedback". Personally I believe it's completely worthless, but you're welcome to think differently.
Lol at the incels above who didnt even do the surgery. Anyway, you are smart. 6cm is very good and 179cm is not short anywhere and no one besides height obsssesed people can notice the difference between you and s 6 footer
Quote from: FortunateSon on April 12, 2023, 02:18:13 AMRespect for the honest opinion and taking the time to respond to each point.
I agree that most won't notice proportions. I do believe the proportions from femur lengthening are noticeable in pictures/videos, but almost not at all in person. However lengthening your femur will have a significant effect on biomechanics.Things like squatting, deadlifting, running etc.. I suppose you can make an argument that I've already f*cked up my biomechanics regardless, but I'd like to find the point at where I am maximizing satisfaction with my height with salvaging some ability. I was not a professional athlete, but I was definitely an athlete, worked out religiously for years, played softball/football(american) recreationally and usually was fastest or second fastest on field. I know those days are gone, but I am still taking my recovery into consideration.
People spend lots of time going to sports therapists after injuries to regain athletic ability beyond what is required for everyday life, even though they are not professionals. All that being said is that athleticism can still hold value to someone who is not a professional athlete. I probably place a higher value on it than others, just due to my lifestyle.
By your logic, I can only get to 181 cm anyway, so I should also go get tibias done as well to get the extra 2CM and be 183. A 2 CM difference is just footwear. I am not into the numbers game of you need to be this specific height to be completely satisfied. That is going to be different for everyone, and is highly dependent on who you spend your time around.
My perspective on this is different from a lot of people because this surgery really was more mental than anything else for me. You mentioned height discrimination at work/romantically, but I've always had success in my career already, I have a long term girlfriend, never felt like I couldn't get girls at all because of my height. I hit the threshold I feel I needed to.
All that being said, you bring some good points. I think others reading this will benefit from your perspective and I don't take anything away from it. Are you planning on doing lengthening/have you already done lengthening?
No it doesn't mean you need Tibia surgery, it just simply means that at each centimetre within that range your life gets better. That has to be weighed up against the costs and time taken - another surgery would put you out tens of thousands of dollars and months more time, whereas doing the last 2cm here and now requires you to just grit your teeth and suffer 20 more days - the reward to cost ratio is much better.
Saying "no one notices" an extra couple of centimetres, well its just not really true. True, i probably couldn't accurately tell the difference between a 179 guy and a 180 or 181 guy in terms of being able to accurately determine their height walking past them on the street. That doesn't mean its "not noticable" though, as these things work off a sliding scale, subconsciously people will treat you better taller and they don't need to be able to name your exact height for it.
For girls, no, being 173cm definitely cost you some lays. Just because you "did fine" at 173 means little: no one except retards think its not possible to get laid as a short man, just that it's significantly harder than IF THE SAME VERSION OF YOURSELF WAS TALLER. Whatecer success you had before, you'd have done BETTER if taller. That difference is far less from 179 vs 181, but don't let anyone delude themselves its not there. Footwear is irrelevant as there's no reason one can't do the extra 2cm AND wear chunky trainers, it's not one or the other.
As for myself, booked in, paid for the surgery, will start it in 5 days.
Quote from: informationispower on April 12, 2023, 07:47:00 AMLol at the incels above who didnt even do the surgery. Anyway, you are smart. 6cm is very good and 179cm is not short anywhere and no one besides height obsssesed people can notice the difference between you and s 6 footer
It's not only about "not being short". I'll agree 179cm is perfrctly average. But once you've broken your legs already, you want to maximise the benefits you're getting. This isn't the same as a 178cm guy who did 6cm and is asking about continuing more - because in that case the extra centimetres aren't gonna change a whole lot. 181 vs 179 is important enough to make it worth another 20 days of your time and another month or two of crappy walking. There's a good reason 90% of patients do the max 8cm on Femur - you can assume most of the other 10% didn't stop out of choice either, but necessity.
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