What's your opinion on giving boys with normal, albeit short final height, human growth hormone?
Personally, as with surely everyone in this forum, I wish I had been given HGH during my teenage years, to reach a higher final height and be more satisfied with my height, since I'm absolutely not satisfied with my current height. However, should children who are at a normal, shorter height be presented with this option, even if they are not unhappy with their height? My opinion is that HGH can never solve the problem of height neurosis and the inequality of male heights on a societal level, no matter how much of it we could distribute to kids. Even if we could administer HGH to every boy who is projected to reach less than 170 cm as final height, as a result, the average height would rise and now 170 cm kids would suffer from height neurosis more. If we would administer it to every boy with a final height of less than 175 cm, the 175 cm kids would feel more short and develop height neurosis, and so on and so forth. And even with HGH, some would not reach those heights. A boy with the genetic potential of 165 cm might never reach 175 cm, even with HGH and optimal nutrition.
So in conclusion, HGH can only help boys on an individual, specific level, and even then it's only "passing on the suffering to someone else", since other kids/men will feel short as a result. A society can impossibly solve the problem of men suffering from height neurosis with HGH, even if it would be successfully given to all kids. The only solution of solving height neurosis is psychological help, surgery (again, only on an individual level) or a way to restart human growth after the growth plates fuse, such as with stem cells, artificial growth plates, and other futuristic solutions. Another important aspect for society is to value and cherish shorter men more, since height variation is a natural thing and mo matter how tall people are, there will always be shorter men and women.
Your thoughts?
Quote from: Bigpoppapump on December 20, 2016, 11:20:50 PMThere's are no proven long term health effects of human hormone especially if taken at sensible dosages. HGH gets a bad rap because provbodybuilders abuse it along with several other drugs as well.
Put it this way HGH is a far safer way to combat a persons height than sawing legs apart then stretching and permanently damaging your body anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
Taken in sufficient quantities as well you will get 3-4" out of it possibly more depending on the person. And that's 3-4" that wont destroy your bodies joints, ankle mobility, knees etc
Obviously probably everyone here wishes they had been given HGH in a proper manner when they still had the chance. That's not the argument here. Although I'm still doubtful if 3-4 inches can really always be achieved. How can this even be mesured? We have no way of knowing how much a child might have grown without his HGH doses, and likewise we can never know how much a child might have gained with them. Even predictions by doctors are only predictions. And of course once must be aware that the timeframe where HGH can be administered is very short and it's also a time where most kids are still under the guidance of their parents and caretakers - they are not really adult and able to make wise, rational decisions or know how important height will be for them later.
But nonetheless, my question was
QuoteWhat's your opinion on giving boys with normal, albeit short final height, human growth hormone?
Should we give a boy with a predicted height of 5'7'' HGH? How about 5'8''? 5'9''? Where do we draw the line? As long as it's an established dogma that taller men are better and short men are undesirable and less worthy, there will always be men who will suffer immensely because of their height. Even if we give every boy below average height HGH, we would only shift the problem around, there would still be shorter men who are unhappy. HGH is not a solution for this, and LL isn't either, at least not on a societal level. The only solution, as I said, would be either scientific achievements to allow us to restart natural growth, or a societal approach to value men of shorter stature more.
Quote from: midnightninja on December 21, 2016, 03:28:02 PMlots of wealthy families throughout America and Europe use it under doctors supervision to increase the height of their children.
That's a pretty bold claim...would love to see any evidence for that.
Quote I have four friends who where geneticly predicted to be short and their parents put them on Human Growth Hormone and they are now 6-8 inches taller than their parents and siblings. I am talking about my friends parents all four of them who are the same height of 5'2" - 5'5" and have a kid 8 inches taller than them due to this growth hormone.
Short parents get tall children all the time...we will never know how tall those kids might have ended up without HGH. Again, predictions are only estimations.
Quote from: Bigpoppapump on December 21, 2016, 06:45:00 PMIf HGH made no difference to people's heights
Nobody said this anywhere. Can we please stick to the topic?
Quote from: Overdozer on December 22, 2016, 06:15:16 PMHGH is one thing. There is also Aromatase inhibitors (AIs), which will slow down fusion of the growth plates under the estrogen hormones. HGH administered at higher than average dosages combined with AIs can grow giants. Search pubmed and study it.
Just wanted to respond to this, because I actually searched for scientific articles regarding AIs and HGH, and I haven't found a case of children "growing giants" with them.
Quote from: MrHandsome on June 24, 2017, 12:08:19 AM5'7 to 5'10 is a huge difference
It isn't.
Next question please.
Quote from: MrHandsome on June 24, 2017, 12:24:31 PMlol you are you serious??? it is a huge difference in the eyes of women
For some women it's relevant, but do you only care about women? 3 inches is a noticeable but in no way huge difference.
Quote from: MrHandsome on June 24, 2017, 07:27:54 PM3 inches is a huge difference period....
It simply isn't.
Okay, let me clarify. 3 inches can be a huge improvement of your self-perception and personal happiness, there's no denying that. I however dispute that 3 inches are a huge difference when you see two random guys on the street.
Quote from: LLSouthAmerica on June 25, 2017, 08:41:09 PMAs a LL veteran, I lengthened 6 cm and it is a very big difference and undeniably noticeable.
Noticeable? Yes. Very big/huge? Not in my opinion.
Of course, after having went through LL, which is a very serious procedure, you like to think that the change you made is big, and it undoubtedly is big, as your self-perception and well-being should skyrocket - it's a big dream after all, to become taller for many guys here. And LL can fulfill that dream, with a noticeable height boost. The physical and mental changes go hand in hand. But apart from the very unique experience of LL and height neurosis, I just don't think there's a "very big" difference between a guy who's X cms tall and a guy who's X+6 cms tall. I just don't. "Very big difference", "huge difference" that would be Peter Dinklage standing next to LeBron James or something. My two cents.
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